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0:00one contention often made by those who oppose William Henry Robert's claim to being Billy the Kid is that there were no reported sightings of Billy the Kid after he was reportedly killed by Pat Garrett in 1881 in the book Alias Billy the Kid by William B Morrison and cl sonson it contains the following statement by Pat Garrett's son Oscar Garrett who stated
0:22quote to believe Brushy bill is to question the veracity not merely of my father but of a whole generation for a billy was not killed practically everybody in Southern New Mexico must have heard something about it and must have been an accessory to a Lie by keeping silent end quote but who's to say everybody did remain silent
0:44throughout the years following the port of death of Billy the Kid there were many reported sightings and accounts of the kid there were also several relevant anecdotal incidents involving the kid after his reported death some of these accounts specifically link Billy the Kid as being Brushy Bill Roberts what follows are some of these documented
1:05accounts in the book whatever happened to Billy the Kid by Helen Ary it contains the 1935 account of Arley Nation who interviewed Miss Sid boinkin of Lincoln New Mexico who stated that Billy the Kid quote stayed at her home in Lincoln many times after he was supposed to have been dead end quote
1:26Nation also interviewed a man by the name of trillo who died in 19 1935 at the age of 95 who stated that the man killed by Garrett resembled an Indian and most definitely was not Billy the Kid in the book The Kid Billy the Kid by Bill rasy it contains the workers progress administration article by Linda
1:47Sanchez titled reros D Billy the Kid according to Linda Sanchez quote Ino Salasar who everyone said was as close to Billy as anyone rarely talked about his relationship ship to the kid until his own death he stated that the kid's murder was a hoax he also claimed to have received a letter from Billy
2:08telling him what happened and that he did not die that it was all lies in the early 1950s a patient in the hospital in sakur also mentioned this letter to another Resident from Lincoln how he knew about it no one knows but people were surprised that it was remembered because Ino had died years before this
2:29aspect has been and will probably continue to be shrouded in mystery it is possible that itinerate sheep herder could have been killed instead as with many famous lawmen pad Garrett did not always have an impeccable reputation though many of his supporters state that the kid was definitely killed that night the fact that Eno talked very little
2:49about their exploits and Adventures could indicate he was trying to protect his friend and then he believed the kid was alive up to the time of his own death many hispanos believe believe he escaped end quote in a May 4th 1933 El Paso Herald Post article Wilbur Smith of Fort Stanton New Mexico interviewed Eno
3:10Salazar who made the following statement regarding whether or not the kid was still alive quote I would not be surprised to see him return to his old Battlegrounds end quote in the book Billy the Kid killed in New Mexico died in Texas by Dr Jana Valdez and judge Bob Hefner it contains the following which grants further
3:31Credence to the claim that Salazar believed that Billy survived according to a February 19th 1990 notorized Affidavit of Mr James V toi the nephew of Frank Co who wrote that Eno Salazar believed that Billy wasn't killed by Garrett stating quote Salazar learned that Billy the Kid escaped to Mexico and
3:52his friend was the one killed in Fort suar that when Salazar was on his deathbed as his last rights were spoken he confessed to the death of Pat Garrett this aiant further states he learned of this tragedy from none other than Joe Salazar grandon of Ino Salazar that Joe stated it was high time that this error
4:12was revealed to the public and a mystery cleared up as no one knew who killed Pat Garrett this aiant further states that Joe Salazar was present when Brushy Bill visited the Salazar home in 1950 that upon entering the living room Brushy Bill stroe across the room and embraced a large photograph of yo Salazar on the wall that Joe said when
4:34he did with tears in his eyes that he Joe Salazar knew full well that Brushy bill was Billy the Kid end quote in the book whatever happened to Billy the Kid by Helen Ary it contains the account of an store of bell and New Mexico which states quote my father Charlie Walker
4:55grew up around Fort Sumer during the early 1900s a Mexican he used to work for told him that he saw Billy the Kid at the bull fights in Mexico long after he was supposed to be dead end quote in the November 10th 1937 El Paso Times it contains the following report Ben harbard of tal New Mexico a businessman
5:16said Tuesday night he saw the young Desperado on the streets of ta after Pat Garrett shot the kid at the old Pete Maxwell ranch house at Fort suar New Mexico on July 14th 1881 Mr Harbor stated quote I knew Billy and I am convinced it was he end quot according to researcher and author Helen
5:37Ary quote the story that Billy the Kid was not killed by Pat Garrett was not a surprise to Old-Timers around Lincoln many of whom never conceded the kid's death Frank Co a friend of Billy the kids during the Lincoln County War believed to the day of his death that Billy was still alive and spent a great deal of time tracing reports that he had
5:58been seen end quote on June 25th 1950 William V Morrison interviewed Helen Co La the daughter of former Lincoln County regulator and friend of Billy the Kid Frank Co at Navajo Lodge Roso New Mexico during which she stated that her father always believed that Billy the Kid survived as
6:19reported demise in 1881 he always investigated reported sightings of the kid she recounted one occasion stating quote once he heard that his old friend was living in California he took the family with him and went out to see about it he left us in the car while he paid a visit to the claimant who was living in a Shack on
6:38the outskirts of a California town he came back disappointed and with tears in his eyes saying that that man was an impostor end quote Frank CO's belief that Billy the Kid wasn't killed by Pat Garrett in 1881 was granted further Credence by Frank CO's daughter in an October 20th 1952 letter from William V
6:58Morrison to attorney WT Moyers he writes quote I spent last week in New Mexico at the Bell Ranch in Glen Co Mrs benell voiced the opinion that our man was Billy the Kid end quote John B Squire Wilson was a friend of Billy the Kid and served as a go between between Billy and Governor Lou
7:20Wallace in setting up their eventual meeting and agreement for securing Billy a pardon in exchange for his testimony against Colonel Dudley and those who killed HED en Chapman he didn't believe Garrett killed the kid according to Wilson's son George who once worked for John W Poe in a letter dated August 7th 1950 from William V Morrison to George
7:42Wilson it states quote I was delighted to be able to talk to you since your Father Judge Wilson was a very good friend of Billy the Kid it was interesting to know that you did not think that Garrett killed Billy also while you were working for Mr John Poe he told you that he told gar he killed
8:00the wrong man and that the kid was still outside in the yard end quote in the September 8th 1990 edition of the Albuquerque Journal it contains an interview by Arley Sanchez who interviewed Miss naen Brady a granddaughter of the late William Brady Sanchez recorded the following quote
8:21naine says one old-timer told her Garrett didn't shoot Bonnie he told her Garrett and Bonnie were good friends and Garrett invented a story to help his friend Escape a Wanderer was killed and buried and Garrett told everyone he had shot Billy the Kid end quote in the August 3rd 1950 edition of The Daily Argus newspaper it tell of
8:42another interesting account that in 1950 Mrs Iva driver of carlbad New Mexico stated that her father Jesse Cox used to bring wagon trains through Eddie County and had a ranch in the Sacramento mountains near Cloud Croft Cox Canyon was named after her father who had arrived in New Mexico in 1877 and was well acquainted with Billy
9:04the Kid she stated that Billy often accompanied her father on Wagon Train trips and cattle drives in the fall and spring Seasons she claimed that she had seen and spoken to Billy the Kid on numerous occasions after he was reportedly shot and killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett on July 14th 1881 in a letter dated October 10th 1949
9:27from John J Clancy to William Morrison it states quote in passing I might say that in the 1930s there arose a big controversy over whether the kid had really been killed by Garrett or not some fellow up and said he had seen the kid somewhere in California running some kind of restaurant another said he had
9:47seen him in Old Mexico somebody over in Mora County a close anglo-american friend of the kids claimed he had seen the kid a couple of weeks after he was alleged to have been killed over in his country then the late Jim Amber cromie daring Adventurer in his own right late Pioneer Merchant of Anton Chico New Mexico claimed he had seen the kid and had been
10:09with him after his alleged taking hints at Fort suar New Mexico by pad Garrett this summer when I was at Santa Rose in New Mexico a telegraph operator named Thomas told me casually he knew the kid and confirmed quite well what I had already heard about him end quote in the book New Mexicans in Cameo and Camera
10:28new deal documentation of 20th century lives edited by Marta weel it contains the August 26th 1936 interview conducted by federal writers project researcher Janet Smith with Jose Garcia e Trello of Albuquerque New Mexico which states that quote Jose Garcia e truell does not
10:52believe that Billy the Kid was ever shot he'd feels sure he got a away to South America he wouldn't be surprised if he is alive somewhere today an old man with many memories and a quick mind like himself when I showed him a book by the man who killed Billy the Kid Pat Garrett the authentic life of Billy the Kid
11:11noted Desperado of the Southwest he was unconvinced no senora and he shook his forefinger back and forth before his face you think Billy the Kid let himself be shot in the dark like that no Senora Billy the Kid Never I see Billy the Kid with these eyes many times with these eyes that Billy he had an agility in his
11:33mind in his mind here he pointed to his forehead Garcia claimed to have been a member of a posi that pursued Billy but that he and the other Mexicans liked Billy and didn't really want to kill or capture him stating that Billy the Kid a very generous man all the Mexican people they like him he give money horses
11:54drinks and what he have to whom was good to Billy the Kid he was good to them always very polite very much of a gentleman once lots of men they go together after Billy the Kid to shoot him they pay us we go sure but we don't want to shoot Billy we always be glad he too smart for us end
12:15quote in the book Alias Billy the Kid by William V Morrison and C sonson it cites a letter dated February 5th 1955 from Mrs Paul Bates granddaughter of JH wood of elk newx Meo to William B Morrison according to Mrs JH wood whose husband was a Rancher and blacksmith at Seven
12:36Rivers New Mexico she maintained until her dying day that Billy the Kid ate dinner at her house 3 days after he was supposed to have been killed in the book The Return of the outlaw Billy the Kid by WC Jameson and Frederick Bean it cites a letter dated March 26 1983 from Paul Kane of Victoria Texas to Mrs Ola M everhard of Lovington
12:58New Mexico Mr Kane stated that quote he had met one of Pat Garrett's daughters in Roswell New Mexico though blind the daughter taught piano to youngsters the daughter told Cain that her dad did not kill Billy the Kid as they were good friends and quote this daughter was Elizabeth Garrett in the book Alias
13:20Billy the Kid by William V Morrison and cl sonson it cites a letter dated November 29th 1950 from Mrs ww cars to William V Morrison it states quote I lived in the Penasco County for 2 years from October 1887 to October 1889 it was rumored that Billy was hiding in the mountains there in the
13:43spring of ' 88 or ' 89 I was returning to my school on Lower Penasco riding horseback couldn't get my pony to get into the water to cross the river after quite a while of useless attempts a young man suddenly appeared from nowhere and asked if he could assist me he led the horse or pony across the wide
14:01expanse of that River when I described him to many of the old-timers they all said it was Billy the Kid he was supposed to have been dead a few years previous but those in the Penasco region did not believe him to be dead I recall that he was very kind to a young scared girl school teacher and was a perfect
14:19gentleman end quote in the book they knew Billy the Kid by Robert F kadlick it recounts that November 1938 while working under the federal writers project Jory D sharp interviewed a man identified simply as Mr Poe a cousin of John W Poe who did not believe that Billy the Kid was shot
14:40and killed by Pat Garrett the following is taken from that interview quote Mr Poe first met Billy the Kid in 1879 or 1880 or thereabouts when he was Trail driving cattle from Coleman County Texas to M's Ranch near Lincoln New Mexico Billy the Kid was writing for m at the time and when Mr Poe and his
15:01riters approached M's range Billy Bill Kellum Cherokee Bill Frank Co and a writer named gugan were sent by mcen to escort the cattle in Mr PO says that he doubts very much if Pat Garrett really killed Billy the Kid for one thing he says that Frank Co told him six or eight years ago that he could saddle his horse
15:20at sunrise at his Ranch on the ri Doo near the resort there and eat supper with the kid at sundown another thing that leads him to believe that the kid was not killed than is the story that Pat Garrett told of the killing Mr Poe's cousin John Poe was deputy sheriff under Pat Garrett John Poe and a cattle
15:39Association man Thomas mckenny Mr Poe says we're sitting outside Pete Maxwell's room when Billy the Kid came along with a butcher knife to cut a piece of meat they had just butchered a beef post said he ran right into them and the kid pulled his pistol and said Kess Kess for he couldn't see them very well po answered don't get scared my man
16:01don't get scared we're friends and Billy demanded again Kess Kess as he backed into the room where Maxwell and pater was on the bed and shot the kid as he came to the door Mr PO says that a man like the kid with a price on his life would never have asked Kess but would have killed the two without question
16:20another thing he States is that nobody was allowed to see the remains of the man that was shot except Pete Maxwell and family pad Garrett John Poe Thomas McKenna and an old Mexican woman he mentions Perry Carney who was the right hand of Pat Coughlin cattle King who lived in toosa and the little Irishman
16:41worked for him and received the stolen cattle the kid brought Perry Carney told me and two Mexicans told me the kid positively was not killed Carney told me the kid came over and got a saddle after Pat Garrett was supposed to have killed him end quote in a letter dated Janu uary 25th 1952 from William B Morrison to WT
17:03Moyers it states quote George W Co told George F Cole of El Paso that he had seen the kid recently and that he had visited with the kid in Mexico Mr Cole loan money to the kid in 1950 with which to make a trip to Albuquerque end quote in the book whatever happened to Billy the Kid by Helen Ary it cites
17:25several sightings of Billy the Kid that were published in various newspaper AR articles for instance during the 1920s and 1930s alone there were several reported incidents involving Billy the Kid that were reported in the El Paso Herald post El Paso Herald times and El Paso Times newspapers in the 1926 El Paso Herald
17:46Post article it reads quote Billy the Kid the legendary hero of the Southwest is the subject of a recent controversy that is interesting all New Mexico although he was supposedly shot by Sheriff Pat Garrett over 40 years ago and buried in Fort Sumer at a discussion before the New Mexico Historical Society a few days ago an El Paso man who
18:08withheld his name sent the statement to the society that the kid was still alive he knew an old-timer who had brought the kid from Texas to New Mexico and who assisted in his escape the El Paso man met the kid in 1916 in the company of this old friend a corroboration of the story is told by Manuel Taylor an Old
18:29Prospector who used to run races with the kid in Silver City and once Pride the bars off the chimney top of the old Adobe jail so Billy could climb out Taylor says he met the kid in guadalahara Mexico in 1914 and they had a few drinks together he said the kid had married there and had a family end
18:48quote in the June 29th 1926 El Paso Times Herald it reads quote Billy the Kid is alive and resides within a radius of 200 mil of El Paso he has been in El Paso within the last 10 years and will probably return within the next few months if a government official here is correct in this statement one other
19:10person a friend of Billy is living in El Paso who said he was present on the night of in 1881 when Billy is supposed to have been killed by Pat Garrett who was then Sheriff of Lincoln County New Mexico when Billy wrote away on the county clerk's black mayare after killing his two guards he rode straight to the home of his sweetheart poita
19:29Maxwell who lived in Fort Sumer the friends said Garrett was Billy's best friend and there in hangs the tals As Told by the friend and the government official who declares Billy is living under an assumed name near ELP Paso Billy and his friend Garrett framed an escape the official says the sheriff had to be away from town that day and he
19:49told the guards to watch Billy and not let him Escape Billy escaped and it was up to Pat Garrett to go get him there was a $5,000 reward W offered to the captor Billy was under sentence to hang and wanted to escape the little black miror was Swift and Billy easily out distan his pursuers he stayed at the
20:09home of his sweetheart that night Garrett by pre-arrangement went to Paulita's house the friend said this is what Billy's friend says what took place that night Billy here's $1,000 take it and get out of the country as fast as you can Garrett told Billy we will fake a killing and bury someone here tonight so so the folks
20:29will think I have killed you Pat I don't need that much money I will take $25 if you have it that will be enough to get me far away Billy told him Billy I want your solemn promise that you will not carry a gun for 20 years Garrett said I promise was Billy's answer both men shook hands over the promise and Billy
20:50got on the little black mayare and rode into the night he is said to have ridden to a man he could trust a Rancher who would keep his mouth shut and and help him that Rancher is still alive and living in El Paso it is he who tells the events on that night when Garrett saw Billy vanish into the night he rushed to
21:09the house fired two shots and with a man who helped him rushed a supposed body from the house before paita or any of her family could see it the body was taken to a grave already prepared to receive it without the form of a ceremony that grave was marked by a rude cross that was to prove to Billy's
21:27sister that he was still alive the Rancher declared last night that the grave has been dug into during the past 2 years and there are no bones in it it was merely a fake mound of dirt with a fake corpse he said paita discovered in 1912 that Billy was still alive but she had been married for years to a Mexican
21:47and time had healed the wounds caused by Billy's fake death end quote in a June 22nd 1926 El Paso heral Post article it states quote New Mexico histor IAL Society has received word from an El pasoan whose name has not revealed but is said to be a person of prominence that Billy the Kid is still alive it is
22:08alleged that Billy not having been slain at sakuro by Sheriff pad Garrett is still alive in some unmentioned place and the El pasoan has conversed with him in recent years he is said to be trying to live down his past end quote in another 1926 Al Paso Herald Post article it reads quote Leland V Gard
22:29local Santa Fe officer believes Billy the Kid notorious Outlaw of Pioneer Day still lives and has thought so for the past 10 years he said he is not the old pasoan however who communicated his belief to the New Mexico Historical Society he declared that information said he had been the kid about 10 years
22:49ago I am not certain but I believe I've seen the kid said Mr Gardner I am told that he is on an isolated Ranch within 500 miles of El Paso when strangers come to the ranch the kid disappears until visitors are gone he was so well known in his day that he can't take any chances on being detected one thing that
23:10leads me to believe the kid still lives from what I have read there was a big standing reward for Billy the Kid and Sheriff pad Garrett did not collect the reward after he was supposed to have killed the kid the kid was not an Outlaw by choice the first killing he committed was forced upon him and after that he
23:27was forced to kill in self-defense end qu in the June 23rd 1926 El Paso Herald it reads the story that Billy the Kid was not killed by pad Garrett in 1881 but that he was seen as late as 1910 did not come as a surprise to this section for Old-Timers in the Lincoln vicinity have never conceded the kid's death
23:49George Co of Glenco a side partner of Billy the Kid and one of two remaining survivors of the kids faction of the Lincoln County War has declared many times that he did not believe the kid was killed CC mcnet of Alamogordo was in the vicinity of Lincoln when the kid was supposed to have been killed and he
24:07recalls that settlers there at the time doubted the story of the kid's death many believed it was a frame up between those who wanted the reward and Billy who had served his purpose in breaking up the cattle ring and was willing to leave end quote in the June 22nd 1938 edition of the El Paso Herald post it
24:26contains the following quote is Billy the Kid New Mexico's notorious Outlaw before the turn of the century still living that recurrent question popped up again today with a group of old frontiersmen headed by Major Gordon W Lily of pony Oklahoma hunting his answer Billy the Kid whose Six Guns carved history in the grimling county war was
24:47trapped and killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett in 1881 according to all known accounts which have nevertheless been questioned repeatedly major Lily's group left for Albuquerque were they plann to question alagbaka territorial gunman and feared peace officer of the old cattle days with Lily was Eddie Botsford of
25:07Littlefield Texas the Reverend jwe Ary of Houston Texas and bf barbert of tal New Mexico they are members of the national Frontiersman Association which is seeking to verify reports the kid escaped to Mexico instead of falling under Pat Garrett's guns end quote in the book The Kid Billy the kid by Bill
25:29Rassy it cites a 1950 El Paso Times around here column titled is Billy the Kid still alive by Bill Phillips which reads quote Billy the Kid is still alive and lives on a ranch 200 mil of El Paso according to a theory held by some South westerners if this story should by some chance be true countless tourists may
25:51have seen the Aging onetime Desperado as he trudged innocently along New Mexico roads and perhaps someday an elderly gentleman on his deathbed May reveal he is Billy the Kid if this should happen the news will strike the historical world like an atomic bomb and dozens of books on the frontier's most famous gunmen will have to be Rewritten history
26:13today tells us that Billy the Kid whose blazing guns snuffed out the lives of 21 men died at the age of 21 in 1881 fatally wounded by Sheriff Pat Garrett in Fort suner New Mexico but folks who say that Billy the Kid could still be alive tell a different story they say that sheriff Garrett Never Killed the
26:32kid they argue that Garrett was a good friend of the kids and let him escape from the jail through a pre-arranged plan shortly before the kid was to be hanged the kid is then supposed to have ridden by horseback to the home of his sweetheart paita Maxwell where he met Garrett a sham gun fight was staged the
26:50kid rode off free and a fake body representing the remains was buried according to this version Billy the Kid lived peaceably afterwards under an assumed name and could still be alive today support to some such story has been given by one of the kids Partners George Co of Glenco who is now dead Co
27:10declared many times that he did not believe the kid was killed but if he did possess additional information about the kid Co never made it public why asked Co and others did Garrett fail to collect the $5,000 reward posted for capture of the kid dead or alive specul over a possibility that the kid was never killed flamed up in 1926 when an El Paso
27:33newspaper reporter told the following Story the reporter was introduced by a governmental official then Under Suspicion to a woman who said she knew where Billy the Kid was living she told of harboring the kid on her Ranch shortly after the famed gunfight with Garrett her husband had sent the kid money for years and still corresponded with him she said although she said the
27:56kid was living somewhere in New Mexico Within 200 Mi of El Paso she declined to give the exact location on grounds that the kid feared Revenge from relatives of the men he had killed she withheld her name in connection with the publication of the story and said her husband would be very angry if he learned about she
28:13had given away the secret the reporter compromised by attributing the account to an anonymous Rancher the story concluded by stating but up in little New Mexico Villages you can still find oldsters who shake their heads when asked about the kid's death they Wonder Too end quote in a June 30th 1938 El Paso Times article it reads
28:35quote now that the old controversy about whether Billy the Kid really was killed by Pat Garrett that night in Old Ford summer has busted loose again Mrs La Cardwell of Los cruus is reminded of a conversation she had with a little ancient prospector while camping in the Black Range several years ago Mrs Cardwell tells it thus coming down out
28:57of the high mountains one day one of these typical oldtime Prospectors following a couple of heavily Laden Burrows stopped at our camp and having but his pack mules to talk to for many weeks and since the camp had an ample supply of the makings he lingered quite a spell after he had told us of his latest prospects and showed us many of
29:16his specimens we led the conversation onto the early days his name he said was Manuel Taylor he told us he was born at lsia and when a young man had moved to City during the chloride flat spoom speaking of Billy the Kid Mr Taylor said I knew Billy the Kid well when he was at Silver City we used to run horse races
29:38together in fact another young fellow and myself once PRI the bars off the chimney top at the old Adobe jail so that Billy could climb out the man killed at Maxwell's was a young cattle detective who had come from the East and expecting to make some easy money capturing cattle rustlers and got hit by mistake going on with the Story Taylor
29:58said I was in guadalahara Mexico in 1914 where I met the kid the recognition was mutual and we had a few drinks together for Old Times Sake he had married there and has a family when asked about the appearance of the kid Mr Taylor said of course he is older but in many respects the same he still has the buck teeth and
30:19grown heavier having never before heard this version of the affair I had Mr Taylor repeat the story to me he said he could not be mistaken as to the identity of the man with whom he had took the drinks with in guadalahara a few days later when in Hillsboro I took the trouble to inquire regarding Mr Taylor
30:37and was informed that he was well known in that community and that he was truthful and trustworthy end quote in the June 27th 1948 El Paso Times it reads quote according to press reports from Carl's Bad New Mexico JW weldy 83-year-old resident of that City says he talked with Billy in a lost Cru
30:58dry goods store four years ago the kid had been living in Mexico all these years instead of in a grave in Fort Sumer weldy declares end quote in the December 1950 edition of Frontier times is an article titled has Billy the Kid come alive by Marvin J Hunter which states that Hunter saw the kid in 1899
31:19at Clifton Arizona Jim Haron was a Texan who met Billy the Kid in 1880 while running cattle between Texas New Mexico and Oklahoma Heron would tow the line between Outlaw by wrestling cattle and Lawman being known as the first sheriff of no man's land in the Oklahoma Panhandle after being charged with
31:40cattle theft he escaped and left the territory According to Jim Heron's daughter Rita he claimed that he saw Billy the Kid several times after he was reportedly killed by Garrett in 1881 he even supports Robert's Claim by stating that he ran into him in Mexico while dealing cattle when Robert said he was there according to Rita's son-in-law
32:02Melton Haley in a letter dated April 10th 2006 to Emily Smith it tells of an interesting encounter he had with his wife Emma and some members of her family at the Billy the Kid museum in Fort suner it states quote they came over and being no place to go took them to Don sweet's Museum Don was trying to feed
32:24one of the men of sorted flavors of BS telling how Billy was buried here and his dad had the wagon Billy's corpse was taken to to Santa Fe to collect reward he looked Don straight in the eye and he said that is a lie you can imagine the look on Don's face then Emma had to add fat to the fire and say that her
32:43Granddad and Billy bought cattle in Mexico and sold in the US long after Billy was said to have been killed I quickly ushered them out I told her when I took them up to bowlen's place and they saw a pile of dirt with a tombstone not to laugh out loud or say anything as I had to live here end quote in a
33:01letter dated January 17th 2006 from Melton Haley to Emily Smith he writes quote I am 77 now and when I was in my late 20s I was working near Superior Arizona and became acquainted with Rita McGrew who was in her mid 80s she often spoke of her father Jim Heron and William Bonnie dealing in cattle
33:22together which would have been long after Billy was to have been killed the author of the book the Alo Trail interviewed Rita and others of the area actually Billy the Kid was of little interest to anyone in that area as quite a number of people with a dark past moved to Arizona and some became the pillars of the community end
33:42quote in a letter dated March 13 2006 from Melton Haley to Emily Smith it reads quote I have hesitated to speak of this because of the religious bigots that promote untruths about Billy the Kid for money Fort Sumer I have been threatened several times because I will not promote false stories as you well
34:03know Billy met Jim in what is now Oklahoma and they lived in Southern Arizona and Mexico I knew Rita mcru quite well for a number of years who was a daughter of Jim Heron I was married to her daughter Emma she and I knew each other for years I doubt if I ever heard of Billy before Rita told me about her
34:22dad and Billy I know nothing about Brushy Bill other than what I have read but but by what Rita told me I would bet Brushy bill is indeed Billy the Kid end quote according to William V Morrison Roberts met up with his old friend Tom picket who rode with Billy and was captured with a kid by Garrett and his
34:41posi at stinking Springs in December of 1880 in a letter dated May 31st 1964 from William V Morrison to Paul Roberts it reads quote my research extends to Prescott St John's sholo Etc as our client Billy Roberts visited that country with Tom picket in the 1890s
35:03after Garrett claimed he had shot the kid in New Mexico I was attempting to locate witnesses to testify in court that they knew Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid in New Mexico I knew that Tom Piet would be a witness of still living end quote according to Morrison he was able to confirm this in interviews with piet's niece and nephew
35:23who he interviewed in lame Mesa Texas in a letter dated November 29th 1950 from Ray leer to the law firm of Andress lipsc and Penny CIS it reads quote my grandfather Mr seino Romero formerly of Colonius New Mexico has become very interested in the developments of the case of Billy the
35:44Kid he knew the kid very well and has reasons to believe he was not killed by Pat Garrett but fled the country Mr Romero feels confident that he can determine whether this man you represent is Billy the kid if given a chance to talk to him he would like to offer his Services if they can be of help in
36:03proving that your client is his old friend end quote in a December 4th 1950 letter from William V Morrison to Ray leer Morrison responded by stating quote I am sorry that I did not learn about your grandfather while we were visiting at Las Vegas during the month of July Billy and this writer visited there in an
36:24Endeavor to locate persons who might be able to identify Billy I shall be pleased to hear anything that your grandfather remembers about the kid end quote in a follow-up letter dated June 2st 1951 Morrison offers to visit with Romero and place some of his tape recorded interviews with Roberts to see if he recognizes Robert's voice as being
36:45the kids in the book Alias Billy the Kid by William B Morrison and cl sonon it cites a letter dated March 28th 1950 from Arthur Hyde to William B Morrison according to Mr Arthur Hyde of the veterans hospital at Whipple Arizona in 1914 he visited with a Mr goor a relative who had lived at the head of
37:05the M Brees River since 1900 he was sent to visit a friend an Oldtimer named Thompson who resided in the Sacramento County for many years when this subject of Billy the Kid came up Thompson was convinced that Garrett and Billy cooked up a plan to make it look as though Garrett had lived up to his campaign promise to exterminate the kid a Mexican
37:26boy turned up and that bore a strong resemblance to the kid and was used as a substitute Garrett told the young boy to go to the Maxwell House where he could meet a Rancher who might give him a job the rest of the episode went off just as it had been written over and time again they had a quiet burial on the grounds L
37:44some of his followers might cause trouble and the casket was not opened at the burial Mr Thompson stated that he heard that Billy went to the state of Chihuahua Mexico and went into ranching as it happened I got TB in the service and was sent to the old army hospital at Fort Bard near Silver City New Mexico for treatment after I got
38:06discharged early in 1920 I spent the next four years rambling around the mongalo and the Black Range I met up with several Old-Timers who told me just about the same story among them was J E George now dead at mu creek and a Bill Jones also dead at Reserve New Mexico
38:26they all told me it was a case of dirty rotten politics and Billy just happened to serve their purpose they didn't seem to consider the killing of the innocent Mexican of any importance judging from what they told me it was common knowledge among those who were on the inside at the time end quote in a letter dated August 27th 1990
38:46from James Anthony to William a tun it revealed the following information as related to William Roberts quote I'm writing in regards to an incident which happened in in hio Texas in 1945 to which I was an eyewitness my name is James Anthony and my grandfather Harry H Anthony was a one-time Pinker
39:08and detective for the railroad and later an undercover Federal Marshall at this time he was in his 80s but still very sharp in mind and body we had went to Archer City and talked him into moving to hio where my dad owned a farm and we built him a cabin about a half mile from our house at this time I
39:28was about 15 years old and scared to death of him we meaning dad Grandpa me and my two younger brothers had went to town to buy flour and beans and get a haircut we were standing outside the barber shop on a bench when we noticed this old man walking towards us which to me could have almost been my granddad's
39:47twin they were dressed about the same way and had the same long beard and long white hair the closer he got the more he looked at Granddad and my granddad got real nervous like he did when he was mad he always wore his gun a big 45 in a shoulder holster under his jacket when Brushy bill got about 15 ft from us my
40:09granddad jumped up and hollered Bonnie don't reach for it you're under arrest daddy grabbed Grandpa and said what's the matter with you you don't know this man he told my dad to get out of his way and I think his exact words were I'd know that son of a will Bonnie anywhere ask him if if I wouldn't then
40:29Brushy bill turned and ran back down the street and they held my grandpa my grandpa kept saying that he was Billy the Kid till he died he kept on at the people of hio until they got up a petition to take grandpa's gun houon white was the sheriff of Hamilton County at that time and was afraid of no one I
40:48was there when he came to get Grandpa's guns he got about 30 ft from Grandpa's cabin and Granddad told him to stop he knew what he wanted and he wanted to show identification proving he was a federal Marshal but he was not giving up his gun to no one and that he could identify Billy the Kid and was going to
41:05arrest him with or without his help white told him to come out and talk and identify himself he showed him some papers and they walked down the road a little way and talked a little while or rather a long time then white got in his car and drove off white later became a Texas Ranger Grandpa sat and told me
41:25many a time that he knew him from the ranch Wars and that it was Billy he believed that till the day he died and I still believe it with all my heart Grandpa was as sharp as a young man was I was as scared that day as I ever have been and Grandpa meant to kill him end
41:42quote James Anthony would also sign a sworn affidavit affirming this account the affidavit appears in Billy the Kid killed in New Mexico died in Texas by Dr Jana P Valdez and judge Bobby e Hefner in the book The hio Legend of Billy the Kid by judge Bob Hefner it cites the findings of Cs Holmes of Clovis New
42:04Mexico who in the 1960s discovered a copy of an old grand jury indictment in Seymour Texas the indictment filed in Hardeman County Texas on December 28th 1881 for the charge of murder one of the witnesses to the killing named in indictment was Billy the Kid to quote judge Hefner quote either someone else
42:26was using the name Billy the Kid or Pat Garrett shot someone else that historical night end quote in the book Billy the Kid me were the Same by William a tunl it cites another legal document that proves that the territory of New Mexico was still seeking the kid's capture after it was reportedly killed on December 20th 1882 San Miguel
42:48County issued a warrant and indictment for the arrest of Billy the Kid indictment number 1473 by The District Court of San Miguel County proving that many law enforcement officials did not believe that he was killed 1881 the same indictment was reissued on March 5th 1883 and was returned both times as not found in the county the same indictment
43:11was also cited in Billy the Kid killed New Mexico died in Texas by Dr Jana P Valdez and judge Bobby e Hefner according to an article appearing in the Santa Rosa news in 1960 Samuel G Pendergrass interviewed Bob Young of abene Texas who stated that he had known Uncle Jimmy McDaniels at
43:31Round Rock for years according to Mr Young James McDaniels was approximately 70 years of age in 1930 6' 2 in tall weighing about 175 lbs and lived alone during his interview with the Santa Rosa news Mr Young was able to recount a very interesting story involving Jim
43:52McDaniels and Brushy bille Roberts he stated quote I first met rushy bill in Homer Thompson's Barber Shop a couple of doors up the street from our garage there was something about the old man a seeming loneliness a distant far away look in his eyes that immediately Drew my sympathy it was nearing Thanksgiving
44:12at the time and a turkey processing plant kamanchi was in full operation picking and dressing birds for the oncoming holidays a larger number of men and women was employed in the plant during the peak season and it was there that Brushy bill was working when I met him he came into the barber shop while I was waiting for a haircut he was dressed
44:32in old bloodstained overalls and he presented a strange gory sight in the cozy little shop I think the general feeling around kamanche was that Brushy Bill didn't have particularly good sense this didn't spring from any specific information about the old man but merely from the fact that he stayed away from others a great deal and spent most of
44:51his free time shuffling around in the distant pasture land ringing kamanche he was was married to a heavy set woman slightly younger than himself I didn't know her well since she didn't circulate much was sick much of the time I believe she seemed rather insignificant they lived in a portion of kamane dubbed donkey flat which suggests
45:12the character of the area they were newcomers to kamanche I know because I've lived there twice before and I hadn't known them I would say Brushy bill was in his middle 70s when I met him in 1930 but he seemed in excellent health and had the carriage of a much younger man I never saw him slouch always carrying his shoulders erect as
45:33if he were marching he had funny looking eyes that were sort of speckled gray and the thing I remember most distinctly was his large left ear of the type we used to call a flop ear it stood out from his head and the top of it flopped down a bit making it seem bigger than it was for some reason possibly because I was
45:53always courteous to him a matter of my early training the old man took a liking to me he would spend hours in the garage on slack days passing the time of day but I realized now that Brushy Bill actually told me very little about himself one day though I happened to mention that ID lived in Round Rock as a
46:11child and that my family still lived in Austin Brushy Bill showed immediate interest questioning me at length about my friends in Round Rock finally he took me into his confidence saying he could trust me he continued I wonder he said finally when you'll be going to Round Rock again well I don't know I said I go through
46:32there every time I drive to Austin then a thought occurred to me and I asked would you like to make the trip sometime his old eyes brightened and he grinned happily I sure would he said I said I'd let him know the next time I was making the trip as it happened not long after that I was able to get away from the
46:52garage for a weekend and I made plans to visit the family in Austin the night before I left I drove out to Brushy Bill's Shack he greeted me with a worried look on his face Mr Roberts I said I thought you'd like to know I'll be driving to Round Rock tomorrow want to go along he thought for a moment then
47:12sighed heavily sorry Bob but I can't this time wife's sick awful sick and I just can't leave her now I said I was sorry and then I hoped his wife got better then I prepared to leave uh Bob he asked hesitantly with that look of longing creeping back into his wrinkled face do you know a man by the name of
47:33Jim McDaniels in Round Rock why yes I said I know Mr McDaniels well ever see him why yes I make it a point to see when I'm in Round Rock Brushy bill fixed those speckled eyes on me again I've never seen eyes quite like those on any other man and he looked at me
47:53cautiously do something for me Bob sure glad to if you see Jimmy McDaniel would you do this for me just tell him you saw the kid last night and the kid said to tell him hello why of course I will I said and I'm sure he'll be happy to hear from you that was all there was to it Brushy Bill
48:15didn't explain the message and as a matter of fact it needed no explanation it seemed Perfectly Natural for an old man to send a message to a friend of his younger days I drove out to Mr McDaniels the first thing when I got to Round Rock the old man was Seated on the porch of the modest frame house on the edge of
48:33Round Rock he rose to greet me his hair was dark thickly laced with gray and now receding from his ample forehead the long face was highlighted by a prominent chin and he had large ears Mr McDaniels I said after the greetings were done I've got a message from an old friend of yours who's that
48:55boy he asked eyes a twinkle well I said I saw the kid last night and he said for me to tell you hello I was completely unprepared for Mr McDaniel's reaction to the simple message he blinked his watery eyes and looked as if I had brought some shocking news what did you say I
49:16repeated patiently thinking he had misunderstood I saw the kid last night and he said to tell you hello I've never seen such a transformation in a man's face his robust old face blanched to a whitewash who and his frame shook like a palsied child why sir I said are you all right
49:39he couldn't even answer I could do nothing but help him back into his chair on the porch after a while he calmed down and I took my leave of him puzzled I remained puzzled until I picked up a copy of Alias Billy the Kid by sonon and Morrison on page 21 of the book there are these words from
49:58Roberts rode back to messia that summer of 77 met Jimmy McDaniels and quote the article was originally cited in the hio legend of Billy the Kid by judge Bob Hefner in the book The Return of the outlaw Billy the Kid by WC Jameson and Frederick Bean it tells of an incident
50:18involving Brushy Bell Roberts that was witnessed by a man by the name of Alton thoron which reads quote Roberts was walking along High Texas sidewalk one afternoon on his way to the post office on the other side of the street a mother and her young son perhaps 5 or 6 years old were heading in the opposite direction the child suddenly ran out
50:40into the street in front of an oncoming car and the frightened mother screamed Billy observers noted that Roberts startled upon hearing the shouted name turned sharply and reached for an imaginary gun eventually determining that it was not he that was being called he hurried on his way end quote the
51:00following notice was dated and posted more than 8 months after Billy the Kid was reportedly shot and killed by pad Garrett quote notice to thieves thugs fakers and Bunko steerers among who are JJ Harland Alias off- wheeler sawdust Charlie William Hedges Billy the Kid
51:23Billy Mullen little Jack the cutter Pac Mark kid and about 20 others if found within the limits of this city after 10:00 p.m. this night you will be invited to attend a grand necktie party the expense of which will be borne by 100 substantial citizens end quote this
51:44notice was posted at Las Vegas on March 24th 1882 according to author Jana P Valdez quote the citizens of Las Vegas must have known that Billy the Kid was really still alive or they wouldn't have put Billy's name on the poster there was only one real Billy the Kid end quote
52:05while many of the facts are confused in these testimonials the fact remains that the word was out that Garrett did not kill Billy the Kid and proves that statements made by those that oppose Robert's claim that no sightings or accounts of Billy existed following his reported killing in 1881 are not correct I am currently in the process of
52:26finishing ing my next two videos and should have them up pretty quickly I will be presenting the next chapter of Brushy Bell Roberts in his own words his life after the shooting at Fort Sumer and I will also be narrating the episode that my late friend Dr Jana P Valdez wrote detailing his research on the shooting at Fort suar I hope to have the
52:45next video up in about a week with the other following about a week after that let me end this by saying if you enjoy my videos and want to help grow my channel you can do so by liking and subscribing with that said I'll be back real soon with the next video Until then stay tuned and thank you for watching