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0:02It took me a while to release the pressure and say : " How wonderful . " Do you like yourself now ? Very much . Actually , I don't know about " very much . " I guess I like myself . The first answer was good . It was so quick , honest . I like , I like . I had a lot of

0:16anxieties , and that I actually knew , but I had no idea how much it consumed my whole life . Therapy sort of woke me up from this , um , nightmare . Because you can really call it a nightmare , since living in fear is just unhealthy for the body itself , like physically and mentally . It is destructive . That

0:42feminine energy is starting to come to me , and I really missed it , because there is a lot of care , there is a lot of understanding , whereas in this male world , it's often business . I didn't think I would live to see the moment

1:03where we'd have to fight for those rights again , and we have a lot of conversations among friends . What if the elections go the wrong way ? Do we stay here or do we leave ? Because and what do your friends say ? Good morning , my dears . Welcome to Impondabilia . My name is Karol Pacierek

1:24, and with me is Rosali . I'm laughing because I just said Rosalia , and that really is one of the first things I had written down . Does it happen to you , that people call you differently ? Rosalia . Yes . You know , that various forms considering that she is also a very popular artist right now .

1:41They address me in very different ways . They certainly don't say Rosalia , but on the other hand , it happens that I am tagged at Rosalia's concerts as being Rosali , and I'm not entirely sure why , but that's how it is . You mean someone is at your concert or her concert and tags you as Rosali ? Yes

2:01. Well , that's awesome traffic coming your way , you know . It's amazing . Is it , or isn't it good ? It's funny , and to me , it's amusing . Like , there is nothing wrong or right about it . I think it's just funny . Well , it intrigued me because in current times , so many things are

2:18simply searched for on the internet , right ? You heard something , you remember a track , you type the name , in your case the name or nickname of the artist , into Google or Spotify , and something pops up . And in the case of Rosali and Rosalia , one might wonder if you have a

2:35double life , or if you also go out and sing in Spanish . No , well , that's exactly it . I don't speak Spanish yet , and I don't think I'm heading in that direction . Okay , I understand . I wrote down : " A simple girl from Grochów . " Mhm . " A gold mine . " Mhm . Well , yeah . "

2:53And the queen of features . " Mhm . Do you agree with that ? I totally agree with that . I think I am a simple girl who likes a local life . So , first of all , yes . Second of all , I don't remember what else was there . A gold mine . Ah , a gold mine , of course . Totally .

3:16And queen of features . Well , honestly , I have a lot of those features to my name , and I think about a year ago we counted them and I don't know if it's 28 or 26 . Well , that is a really large number . So you did your homework well . Thank you very much . I would like to

3:38refer to one specific feature and go back to the times before the plague . Mhm . Specifically to 2019 . Okay . When you were featured on Taco Hemingway’s track . And the culmination of all that , in a sense , for him and I think for you too , was that you had the chance to sing at

3:57the National Stadium during that big concert . You looked sensational there , by the way . I was looking back at those photos . You had this — I don't know if it was a bodysuit or if it was in pieces — something like Missbehave . It looked amazing , honestly . It looked great . And I was curious what it

4:10was like for you at that moment to participate in such a venture , because , you know , all of Poland was buzzing about that concert . Scared shitless . Good thing you had a tight bodysuit on . It was such a feeling and I don't think I knew what was going to happen . When I walked onto the stage for the rehearsal

4:30at the stadium itself , I was like , " Wow , what am I doing here ? " Uh , and I think it's also very difficult to perform just one song and under such circumstances , because it's different when you go on stage as an artist and have a whole set prepared , you warm up a bit , you get used to it

4:48, you are able to , somehow , I don't know , get into character . The moment you go out , rising from under the floor on a platform , and you suddenly realize how many people are looking at you , and you spend three minutes on that stage — it's madness . It's such an

5:10adrenaline rush that it took me quite a long time to recover after that moment . It is definitely a dream come true , but I also think some kind of desire for more , like the first hit is free . What is it

5:35like ? Because you said you were coming out onto the stage . I know there was actually a platform there that brought you up so you could ride onto the stage . Mhm . And what happens after the song ends , when you have to go down ? How was it , because there were a lot of artists ,

5:50right , I mean there were quite a few guests , and how did it work later , you probably had separate dressing rooms , but I don't know if you waited together for the concert to end to have a joint afterparty , or if you said see ya , we'll never see each other again ? It's usually the case that there's a

6:08common area backstage , and that's typically where the food is . and everyone's there already after the intro , you can well , before and after , of course , it depends on what everyone likes , but there was indeed a place where we all sat together and talked . I don't really

6:30remember an afterparty as such al but I'm also not a person who would party super hard . Okay , so it's very possible that I just slipped away and went home to catch my breath . Uh , because the emotions are so

6:54intense that I don't need to drink hectoliters of alcohol afterwards to let it all out ; I'd rather just jump into bed and cuddle with my boyfriend . Oh , but he was probably at the concert too . Of course he was . Mhm . and you're able to come down from

7:14such a high amplitude to a level of calm quite quickly . That's interesting . I often talk about this with various guests , about how , for example , they return from the theater and have to decompress . I also imagine that singing for tens of thousands of people at the National Stadium , even for three minutes . I

7:29would really love to see something like that , you know , from the perspective of the stage , what those emotions must be like . Returning to a level of calm is probably not the easiest thing . I'll tell you honestly that I don't fully remember the emotions that accompanied me back then , because it was some time

7:45ago , and a lot has happened in my life since then . Uh , but , coming off stage is a very , I think , delicate thing for every artist . because whether it's satisfaction or some kind of high that accompanies you , you then step off

8:07stage and suddenly , boom , reality . You somehow come down from that , I don't know , hype , and I'm not saying this reality is bad in any way , just that it differs a lot , and I always need a lot of time to recover . It's always the

8:30moment when I start eating because before that I'm not really able to , but once I eat , my eyes immediately start closing . So for me , this wave of calm arrives in such a way that I shut down very quickly and have to fall asleep . I

8:50think I handle all my emotional highs best with sleep . Always have . Healthy . Very , very before some exams , I remember , not even exams , I would just walk in yawning the whole time . Oh my God . And it's also a thing that you yawn from stress . I mean , it's happened to me a few times .

9:10Dogs do it too . Well yes , dogs too . By the way , we have a dog here in the studio . If you hear any sounds , then it might be Lotka . it could be Lotka , but but maybe not . Well , generally speaking , when guests come over with their dogs , usually those dogs just nap

9:27quietly . Another important thing for the listeners . We are recording this at the end of April . You are watching or listening to this conversation at the end of May during the album premiere , so so all of this is a bit less current , but based on the information I have now , which is I saw the cover , I was

9:46able to hear a few tracks that are in various stages of completion . Uh , my first impression , when I saw the cover especially , Mhm . It was like , wow . I don't want you to take this as a jab , but I thought , wow , visually this reminds me of a

10:08Brodka album . A mhm . That kind of , I mean the font used on the cover and also a bit of how you look . Musically , not musically , these aren't exactly the same areas , but there's a certain style there . And I'm wondering , do you look at the Polish scene in any way when you are preparing

10:28your music , also in the context of , for example , saying to yourself : " Okay , I'm doing things and suddenly , doesn't this remind me too much of some artist ? " Not at all . Now that you've said it reminds you of that , maybe there is something to it , but there could probably be a

10:46ton of such comparisons , okay ? Because there are so many artists on the scene , and to find something that is completely distinct , I don't know , same in fashion , music , graphics , or art , it's , I think , very difficult to suddenly create something entirely new . And I put myself in the hands of

11:14others when it comes to creating visual aspects as well . So the team from Full Metal Jacket is responsible for the cover . And the reference regarding that metallic chrome that's on the cover . Exactly . Well ,

11:35that's the jewelry that I just wear in a gigantic amount . When Jurek and Wojtek saw the amount of this jewelry , they said it would be cool to reference it . Uh , so I really try not to compare myself in any way , because I don't think it makes much sense anyway .

11:58Because it’s absolute madness . When you go on Pinterest , you see so many things that are similar , that , well it’s hard to bear sometimes , but I think that I definitely feel like this is mine . Before I started recording , you said

12:20you were super happy with this record , that it’s the album closest to what you wanted to achieve . Hence my question , what did you want to achieve ? What do you want right now ? So , 23 , how do you see yourself artistically ? You know , it’s not even about what I wanted to achieve , but because I

12:39didn’t expect at all how this album would sound . It was a big surprise for me . Why ? Because I’ve never worked this much with a single producer , or in this case , a female producer . Chloe Martini and I , I didn’t think I’d make 10

13:00tracks with one person . Every time I made previous albums , there were 10 producers on the record , not just one . So I didn’t really know what would happen and it wasn’t like I’m super organized and , I don’t know , have a plan of action . It’s all more based

13:27on some kind of emotion in a given moment , and when I walk into the studio and I’m unhappy , for example , with whatever happened that day , I turn it into an emotion and translate that into melody and music . And what happened on Motherload is for me some kind of release , some kind of significant

13:48development too because I’m also doing vocally there some various acrobatics , let’s call them that . Which I think three years

14:11ago I wouldn’t have been able to do . Are you talking about the technical layer ? Yes , I’m talking about the range , about the fact that I’m about the vocal tempo , about the tempo in the productions themselves as well . I’ve never made a track that had 170 BPM ,

14:32and at the moment we did it and . Making the track " Freeze , " which you said you happened to have listened to , and " Stracona głowa , " those are very fast tracks , and somehow I have the feeling that I let go of fear on this album and also some kind of expectations , which

14:51made the process much more well , more pleasant and I got more out of it as an artist in general . That’s why it’s so close to me , because I’m really

15:15happy with every track and it’s fresh , it’s also very much me musically , as if I’m entering those vintage vibes that I was getting into earlier on Flashback and Ideal . So I just have this feeling that I found my place in

15:35the music scene . And how do you classify yourself ? How do you perceive this position ? Do you mean the musical genre or the position on the scene ? Well , yes , it comes down to that , but also the position on the scene in terms of image , because in my opinion , that ties in

15:52with the genre in a way . Yes . Mhm . In my opinion , it's hard for me to judge . Honestly , I have no idea what that position is . Other than Rosalie's position . Rosalie . But maybe you have some ideas ? I would gladly answer that question ,

16:13but I know it will be gibberish because I'm not a music journalist , you know ? I can say that your songs , no , I always felt with your — or rather , I don't know your earliest work very well . Mhm . However , from the last two or

16:36three years , what I've listened to has always been a mix for me that I often associated with upbeat music , but at the same time not talking about the happiest things under the sun , that it’s a kind of , you know , " let’s party " mix , but then we all go home and have a

16:53little cry . That’s how I looked at it . What is a close emotion for me , is definitely sentimental music . Yes , that we aren't , you know , we aren't going to slit our wrists musically and , you know , moan with an acoustic guitar in the background . Mhm .

17:13Because life is a bit too short , but at the same time , it’s not the happiest . And I also have the impression that this is how you talk about yourself in interviews and musically . However , when it comes to such a position on the scene , I am asking this question on purpose because it seems like a

17:30terribly difficult issue when it comes to women on the Polish scene . In the sense that women on the Polish scene have to push harder if they want to achieve so-called success . Mhm . Women on the Polish scene usually , well , no matter how you look at it , are often noticed because they were invited

17:50by men . Mhm . And that gave them a springboard to break through , which isn't a flaw . God , I don't think that's a flaw . It's always a great idea if someone helps you at the beginning and you have a chance to develop , but there are rather few situations , at least with young artists , where they

18:06appear somewhere on their own without someone’s help . Unless I’m talking total nonsense here . I think that currently it has changed a lot , and there are a lot of female vocalists on the music scene in Poland . Actually , I also lived under the conviction that it was mainly men on the scene and they were achieving the greatest successes ,

18:26but at the moment , looking at who is number one in Poland , it’s a girl , and that is definitely something new . But as we speak , she got a Fryderyk yesterday for example . Exactly . And well , what can I really say about this ? I think

18:47that social media has made access to the music scene much easier for women . And it's no longer just pushing and shoving , like maybe I'll get a feature and then maybe someone will notice me . No , I get the impression that labels are fighting hard for young , fresh

19:09artists , including female artists as well . And in fact , currently , there is a lot more talk about women in music . Looking for example at Spotify Equal . That is a form of promoting women as well . there's like a big boom for women all over the world , which is awesome

19:31and that's how it should be , because for years it wasn't like that . So that change has happened . Uh , I don't know , as far as I'm concerned and my own feelings as a woman in the business , I've always been very lucky when it

19:51comes to collaboration . I didn't feel like I was climbing over anyone , but rather people worked with me and it was mutual , it was about respecting each other . The difficult moment , I guess ,

20:14is when you realize that even if not on stage , in the music business itself there are tons of men – at the desk , at the computer , on stage , meaning the technical staff . They are everywhere , even your bus driver , like there are tons of men there and I've truly had

20:36moments where I thought : " Jesus , how great it would be to have a girl on the team . " Because And were you often alone ? And I was often alone . Sure . And that female energy is very , very important . And at the moment , the fact

21:00that I collaborated with a producer , that I also work with my sister , that my friend is also a woman , well , not just my friend , but a woman who also works with me . Okay . And she is a makeup artist . like these are , this energy is starting to come to

21:21me , this feminine energy , and I really missed it , because there is a lot of care there , a lot of understanding , while in that male world it's often just business . I would say that in this male business , or in this male version

21:42of the business you're in , which is show business , which is singing , uh , even in the case of women , the term comes up very quickly that you just need to have balls and grow a thick skin , because that's how it is . At some point , you need to gain self-confidence , you

21:58need to set boundaries that I previously , for example , didn't see at all . Or didn't even like what , for example , that I didn't think that I should have spoken up the moment something was crackling , for example in my earpiece . Meaning , you mean the sound at a concert ? Exactly . Because I didn't feel

22:17confident enough to say , " Hey , you know what , something's not working here . Could you help me with that ? " Because I was insecure , I was just afraid . And after a while , the longer you're on that stage , the more people , like , also

22:38know your work or value as an artist , and you , well , you solidify that position , and that made me more self-confident , too ; telling others what you need , what you don't like , what you want to change , even if someone might think you're being a diva , but they don't think that . Let's

22:59start with how it turns out . It was just some construct in my head that appears , like , maybe I shouldn't call anyone out . Well , that's something that took a huge weight off my shoulders and

23:19that mutual respect is really needed in music . But , but do you feel like your skin has gotten thicker ? Do you feel like you've grown metaphorical balls from doing these ... pardon me . Yes , we all know what I mean . I think I've shed a lot of fear and you see . And that's interesting because

23:41it's really cool , since it's the second time you've made a linguistic twist in an interesting way , showing that feminine side of how you look at it . That is super intriguing . You aren't talking about your skin getting thicker , just that you're calmer , that

24:01you're , like , mastering those emotions that in men would be mastered in a numbing way — like , thicker skin , bigger balls . You say you're calming them , taming them . Mhm . But that doesn't mean I don't have masculine energy . And I'm not claiming that you don't , for it to be like that . No , no .

24:19I know , I know , I know . Yeah , that's what I'm saying . I don't know what that comes from , but Well , what do you mean , from what ? From therapy . Well , for sure also it's usually a good answer to that question ; it must partly stem from therapy . My therapy has definitely helped me a

24:37lot in building myself , because those walls really weren't solid at first , and the pandemic let me know that that the whole foundation was shaking . Which I was completely unaware of . I had a

25:00lot of anxieties , and I did know that , but I had no idea how much it was consuming my entire life , and therapy , like , woke me up from that nightmare . Because you could truly call it a nightmare , because living in fear is , for the body itself , both physically

25:21and mentally , it's just unhealthy , it's exhausting . So , investing in yourself isn't always just about being an egoist . And that is very often a mistaken conclusion from therapy .

25:42Exactly . And yet , focusing on yourself makes things easier not only for you , but for the people around you as well . And it seems to me that most things just become a bit clearer , and even if you can't stand something , you are able

26:03to somehow distance yourself from it , definitely . And do you feel now that because you've worked through your personal issues , you're getting your life in order and so on ? Does that make your music clearer , in that sense ?

26:24I think so , for sure . Uh-huh . That’s actually what makes this album so close to me , because for the first time in a long time , I feel that the message is clear , that what I’m saying is understandable , that

26:44what I’m saying is close to my heart , and it’s not some kind of fantasy about myself , but it’s the truth . And was it like that before ? Well , before , I could make things up to feel better . More on that principle . What do you mean by make things up ?

27:06Well , inventing a world that I want to describe in a song . Not necessarily telling the truth , but later believing in what you’re singing . Yeah . Which is very tricky , but I think it’s actually quite normal for many artists , because singing itself , the melody , the recording process is a form

27:28of mantra — something you repeat over and over , which initially might stir up strong emotions because , I don’t know , it caused you great pain , but after a year of singing the same track , it turns out that ... So. And did you have texts with your own

27:49songs ? But not , like , over my song , just when it comes to text writing . Yes , I’m not there anymore . More of an approach like that , and suddenly you sing the same track with a completely different emotion . Mm . Which is super interesting , actually .

28:11Um , well , I don’t know , I guess not . That’s cool . I had a thought while listening to one of the interviews you gave , where you talked a lot about your past relationship , or maybe relationships . I'm not very good with these things , which Mm-hmm . um , were difficult for you .

28:30Mm-hmm . You said it was a toxic relationship and , and um , don't take this the wrong way . This is a very open question , and I want to ask it with the right amount of sensitivity . I was just wondering , how w how does it feel to talk about a difficult relationship that you still

28:48consider toxic ? I mean , is it like only now Aha . I think it’s fair to say that it took me many years to notice how unhealthy that relationship was , and only after some time am I able to talk about it , and I think that’s also a result of therapy ,

29:11because speaking out is in some way cathartic , and that openness was , like , very necessary for me , because keeping it all bottled up for such a long time , and also not fully understanding what was happening , what it looked like , and building some kind of shell around it ,

29:36well , that wasn't healthy for me either . And I think speaking directly and speaking the truth is really , like , necessary for me , because building this perfect image of myself and creating some kind of myth that I’m happy all

29:57the time , that nothing in life has ever touched me , that I had a great , I don't know , school life , like , and home life — well , I think it’s very important for me to be honest . Because , first of

30:19all , we as people in business are also just people , and everyone might imagine different things about me , for example , but it’s very important to me that people know who I really am , rather than them building some vision , because then that vision becomes a huge pressure . Which vision that they

30:46created about you bothered you the most ? I think I created it myself because , as I was telling you , the songs I wrote aren't that close to me anymore , for example , because they aren't entirely honest either . Sp - Pardon ? Sell deal . No , ideal . Yes . Well , we have an idealized one

31:04here . Okay . M yes , yes , yes . Uh , that I think I also believed that I was super strong , that I was very feminine , that , uh , that I was open , that I was honest . Above all , I was convinced that I was honest .

31:27H but I wasn't honest . And I think that's why I'm speaking out now , because I want to avoid a situation where I could again be responsible for some kind of chaos in my head that totally distorts reality . I’ll shift this topic of

31:52your past relationship a bit , because it stopped me for a second , and now , not defending your ex-partner , I was wondering how you feel talking about your past relationships . For me , it’s always an aspect that there must be some reason behind , right ? So I wonder what it was , because you

32:13say it was cathartic for you . Listen , the reason you’re asking me about this , and the same happened in my last interview , is that I’m being asked . It’s not like I’m taking the initiative here . Okay . Okay . But you guys are the ones responsible for what context — or maybe not context , but what topic is imposed

32:33here . And , of course , I could say I won't talk about it , but if I feel like it , then I don't think I should forbid myself from doing so in any way . You know , it’s just that in that specific conversation , the context

32:55was very , I would say , negative , but it’s not like I haven’t been in relationships , relationships that were good , but I wasn't asked about those . Okay , so tell me about your good relationship , because I assume you are in a good relationship now . Definitely . What does a good relationship manifest

33:10as , in your opinion ? First and foremost , conversation . What , what do guys need to know how to do ? Well , no . What , what should guys do ? No , you know , it’s a matter of , I think , definitely fitting together , uh , a matter of , uh , growing together ,

33:27uh , in a partnership . Do you have that ? I definitely have that . A huge amount of trust , some kind of , I have the impression that at some point you reach a kind of relationship where what seemed impossible turns out to be the norm . Give me an example . What is the norm

33:50for you now that was impossible 5 years ago ? That I can be myself , that I don’t create , at home , any illusion at all that I’m perfect , just to please someone . Just , I can have messy hair .

34:13Right now your hair is beautifully styled , but you could even have messy hair . You know , just that I’m , uh , I can be moody . Mhm . Uh , I just think it’s exactly as I said , being myself , and I think I was

34:35also immature before and I really cared , uh , about the partner , like , being with me and being by my side and loving me , but unfortunately I don't think I fully realized it couldn't be at my own expense , because that already makes it not okay . If someone doesn’t accept

34:56who I am or how I am , do you think you manage — I’m talking about " Motherload " now — to pour that kind of support into the lyrical layer for your listeners , or is it just meant to be a vibe ?

35:16No , not at all . I think , for example , the track " Raj " is , uh , It's a track that definitely , uh , provides a lot of understanding and , uh , warmth , not just in the , like , musical layer , because the lyrics themselves are quite difficult and ask

35:37a lot of questions : where to go , What even is my paradise , does it even , does it even exist ? And I think there are many situations on this album where you

35:58can find an answer , my answer . If someone relates to that , well , that’s wonderful . And I think , looking at the singles , my listeners say that they absolutely do , that they feel it and that it helps them get through , I don't

36:19know , some difficult moments in their lives , which I never expected , because I didn't know it could look like that at all , that someone would listen to my music and it would help them . Well , that's the most wonderful thing there is , because I used to listen to music in such critical situations myself . And

36:38I would just scream along to every song to get the bad emotions out . So I think that you can absolutely find such such lyrics in songs that can help you get through something , but it's not for me

37:00to judge . Yours a little bit too , because I have that hope . Yours a little bit too , because I guess that for this album , and all the previous and future ones , you will have more songs written and recorded in versions just like the ones I received , because you , dear listeners , don't know at all . Well , like I said ,

37:19it’s April 24th as we’re recording this . The album isn't out yet . Of course , you can pre-order it , that's obvious , but I , I’ll read you how the files I received are described , for example . Okay , can I do that ? Sure . The track is called " Cud " ( Miracle ) , and

37:33the file I received is called " Cud " . 02 mix without the wah . What is a " wah " ? What's missing ? Is it some — is it perhaps some guitar or some pad , which is — is it that ? Quite possibly , and it was turned off . Next , I have the track " Freeze " in a

37:50demo version , but the final one . Then we have " Rozalikacha " . Uh , " Spadamy " ( We're Falling ) demo with 3 ' o's at the end , demo . Next , we have a track that I have with the wrong title . What should the title be ? Already temptation for me . Can I say the one

38:09that’s not true ? So , I received it with the title : this is actually a feat . " Kookonie " . What can I do ? Yes . And this is , oh Jesus , ma'am , wait , because this title doesn't end . It's a longer title . This is the production . Aha . This is the production .

38:23in mix version 1.6 . Yes , yes . I would like you to get into my head , like , what I was listening to here earlier . I’m here in a very beta-alpha version , and what else do we have here ? " Światła " ( Lights ) . Well , but this one is with asthma , Master HD

38:40version , so okay , so this is probably the one . But honestly , you've got it easy , because I know the demos , and the ones you got I think are already sounding pretty good . They are definitely in the final stretch . But you know , looking at — and it does happen , if artists come to me

39:00long before the release and the label is kind enough to send me something , then I do get to hear tracks in those versions . I also happen to watch movies without the finished effects , and that’s super interesting , really , because in a way , it’s an opportunity for me to participate in the process you’re sitting in

39:21longer , and the lines between the version — wait , what was the funniest part ? Falling off the demo , and for example , demo version 2 versus demo version 3 , those will just be footnotes . Those will be small things , right ? Mhm , but between the first version and what ends up on the album , there's a

39:39huge gap . Well , first of all , everything is in English . Let’s start with that — every track in the demo version was a song in English . And only from that point on does everything turn into Polish . So that’s also where the title " What can I do ? " comes from . Because in ...

40:00But the lyrics were all in English and you rewrote them . No , it’s not rewritten . It’s written anew , but yeah , absolutely . Are you serious ? That’s exactly why that track with Wini and Kukon , " What can I do ? " exists . Because in the chorus , instead of , I don’t know , " chęć czy pokusa " (

40:15desire or temptation ) , it was " what can I do . " And ... I’m opening it up here . But there are some tracks in English . They are here , they are . But actually , no , no , no . Most are in Polish , and each of them was first in English .

40:31Mhm . Oh , wow . Well , because first , that’s my way of working . For me , that’s how the melody is created . Yes , but you have to rewrite it so the phrasing matches , so you can fit the text and all that . And that’s just how it looks . Oh , wow .

40:50Actually , very often it’s also the case that some of those pre-takes are just English words . And it happens that they don't mean anything , but they are English words because the sound of those words is very important in the final version . But there were

41:13also tracks that were written entirely in English , and later , for example with Asm , who is also someone who wrote lyrics with me for this album " Mother Load , " we drew emotions from that , we drew the essence from that , and later we translated that into Polish , so I think it’s a good starting point for

41:35the later creation of the Polish text as well . I don't know , I feel it's very difficult for me to write lyrics directly in Polish , because the melody with English is softer . I'm able to fit in significantly more words . And like ,

42:01for example , with the track " Iluzja , " which was the first single , we had to work really hard with Arek Sitarz to find the right words and stay in tempo , because that's a real feat . But I like the challenge . I think it’s also very developmental for me .

42:26And I have all the demos in English , and I’m also thinking about showing a bit of that creation process from scratch . How so ? Together with Chloe , I think we want to just record some kind of video where we’ll show , for example , three tracks in a row , what is being added ,

42:46show the initial sound , then the changes , because we are able to do that . And this technical side , I think rarely do fans ever have any insight into , but it’s possible that other audiences might be interested in it , a

43:09purely production-oriented one . So we have it in our plans . I was thinking that since all the tracks are already written in English , you could release a second album almost in parallel . Listen , that was the idea . Are you serious ? That was the idea , but I abandoned it

43:30for that reason . It was our joint decision . Yeah . I abandoned it because , well , I won't hide it , budget-wise it’s simply a second album . Oh . Because you have to record everything in English , you have to go into the studio , you have to do the mix and master again , like it’s not that

43:51simple , it really isn't . So I think for the very beginning , probably not . This is a really big album for me , so I bow down to it and I believe it lacks nothing . But that English-language form , too . It was very tempting . Mhm .

44:15So you think musically more in English ? Definitely . Does that help in the Polish music market ? I don’t know , but I don't really care . Okay . Because I’ve always been standing out in that regard , because I reached for music that no one in this country was

44:36doing 6 years ago . There was a gap . Maybe a few individuals were reaching for Soul and R & B , but it wasn't something that made it into the mainstream . And I didn’t know at all that it looked like that , because I didn’t listen to Polish songs at all .

44:59I listened only and exclusively to foreign music . The moment I actually reached for my first tracks , I heard , " Oh , it's going to be hard . " But from whom , actually ? From people . mostly from the industry , because nobody really knew how this music would

45:19reach people , if there was even any interest in this genre , or demand for it . But as it turned out , people love R & B and electronic music , that combination . Later , it evolved more into some kind of alternative pop with soul roots , so

45:39I’m no longer able to put myself into one box . For sure , and Motherload is the best example of that , because I really reach into many musical genres , which is also very , I think , bold on one hand , because usually I know

46:05artists who want to make sure the album has one vibe , and I’m moving away from that . I prefer to play with the form and check what I like , what sounds good , and if it sounds good , then it’s really my job to connect all these songs . Of course , Mix and Master

46:29are also of huge importance , let's be clear , but the connecting thread is me . If from songs that have folk , or drum and bass , or trap , or pop elements on top of that as a whole ,

46:59well , that means it’s possible , and that’s what I’m probably most hyped about , because I would be bored if I had to make an album that was just in one direction , I guess I like these changes , I like a challenge . You sound very calm . That’s that’s

47:19that I’m hearing that again . Well yes , well I’m very happy about that . You sound calm . You sound confident . You know , I have this again from some attempts at people I meet in various situations . who do something on stage in different fields . Calmness

47:44is an emotion that rarely appears . Calmness , I feel , is an emotion that comes along with total detachment . Aha . That either I don't have to anymore because I’ve done so much , or I’ve done so much that I simply have an established position , or I don't

48:05care because I’m on the sidelines for some reason and this sideline is my choice , not that I was at the peak from that proverbial peak , but somehow someone knocked me down , I fell , and now I don't care , because it’s the only form of escape , so as not to torment myself . Mhm .

48:25But that kind of natural calmness Mhm . I rarely feel . Mhm . On the other hand , I really think such natural calmness is a rare emotion . There is much more anxiety , fear , nervousness , excitement , but we all know , you surely know it perfectly well , that

48:46after excitement usually comes some kind of low , right ? That the higher the high , the deeper the low . I think this sense of calm comes from the fact that , over these eight years , I’ve gained some experience , and I know that I can’t predict anything . I know that things can happen that I have no idea

49:08will happen . And , well , getting ahead of those kinds of thoughts — there’s just no room for that . So , you don’t think ahead . Not really . Like , when my mom asks me when I’m playing my next concert , I just say , " Mom , I don’t know . " I only focus on

49:35the current month and maybe the month ahead , but I’m not interested in what’s further out , because I feel like that used to stress me out , create anxiety , and bring high expectations — those ambitions that often make things difficult . Were those your ambitions or someone

49:55else’s ? I think it was a mix . I am very ambitious , which I wasn’t aware of . Mhm . And And what ? Did you think you were lazy ? Yes , I heard that . But is that how you thought of yourself ? No , I felt very misunderstood because I was never lazy ;

50:14I just think I have something in me that many people might not have , which is that I need balance . If I don’t have balance — and maybe my balance is different from someone else’s — someone might think I don’t work much , but I feel like I just can’t do more , like this is how much I want to

50:34work . And every additional element that gets added to my plate makes me start to shake . And does it turn out worse , or do you just feel worse ? I feel worse , which means it turns out worse . Okay . Building this sense of calm , as

50:57you call it , comes from finally knowing that my norm is also okay , and that I don’t have to reach for someone else’s norms — not mine . I can also say , " Listen , I don't feel like going to this interview . " Well , then I appreciate you coming to see me even more . It rarely happens ,

51:21mind you , but there are situations where I’ve learned to say no , and saying no is a big relief . Mhm . And I think that also brings a lot of understanding . But expectations , do I have expectations ? I don’t want to have expectations because they are

51:42destructive . I’m already stressed enough that , you know , the album is coming out and everything needs to be finished . I won’t remind you of the demo version . I’m not worried about that anymore . Fortunately , that’s already done . Okay . Then why did I get some — just kidding . I mean , I'm doing it , so it's okay .

52:02It's cool . But there are also visual aspects , there are rehearsals . Everything needs to be scheduled . Mhm . And there's this horrible word , deadline , that pops up and keeps chasing you . I won't forget how my boyfriend recalled his professor

52:22who told him : " Deadline , deadline , what a vile word , it combines a lifeline and a deathline . " Mhm . Mhm . And I also have this feeling that a deadline is something no one likes , and when it approaches , you know , everything inside you starts bubbling up . I have to meet them too . I worry a

52:48lot about whether I'll manage , but everyone around me says I'm in a very good position , so I shouldn't be stressed . That's good , so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that position and for you in that position . I wanted to ask you a bit , because you

53:08combine in a way Poland and not Poland , since you spent your first years of life in Germany . Mhm . You mention it was a cool period , but now you live in Poland , right ? And you connect your art with Poland , and whatever happens , happens . I'll just add to the previous topic

53:28that I really agree with you when it comes to thinking ahead , that Mhm . thinking too far ahead can cause , it can just cause these unnecessary anxieties that are pointless . If you let go , it's better . Mhm . But you are a woman who lives in

53:51Poland , creates in this country , and I wonder if you belong to the group of artists who consciously make their art and don't want to engage in ideological debates , or are you a person who in some way manifests something and something for those young people who come to concerts and listen to your music ? Do you want to convey more than just

54:13having a good time , more than just your experiences , because it's clear you convey that , right ? But is there something you want to debate as part of being an artist , that is , a public figure , so I think that by choosing the RnB genre in general , you're already manifesting

54:33something , because it's a very feminine direction . She talked about great feminine power , and it seems to me that what I hear most often from my fans is that it gives them , this music gives those girls self-confidence . And on the

54:55album , the track " Freeze " is a song that is very much a feminist piece . I don't usually manifest on my socials , nor on stage . I think it often stems

55:15from a kind of uncertainty — whether I really want to open those doors , because what will happen once they open , and will I be ready to engage in certain discussions or conversations ? And I think that's something that comes with time ; once I start to feel confident about a topic , I will address

55:37it . But if Aren't you afraid of a bad climate ? No , because I feel like — again , this will be more vague , I don't have anyone specific in mind — but sometimes I think about young artists , especially those who do well from the very beginning . Meme , first

55:59single , first album takes off , and a large part of them decides , um , to stay in that place and sort of take that path . There's that famous quote from Michael Jordan back in the 90s , I think , when he was asked to take a side regarding someone who either said something racist or was a racist .

56:19Okay . Well , Michael Jordan was already a , you know , super basketball player by then and already had a contract with Nike and was selling , was selling shoes . And Jordan said that Republicans buy sneakers , too . Mhm . And that he wouldn't take a side . He , he , like , it's not , I think that if there were a

56:38moment where someone asked me which side I , um , how do you say it , position myself on . Thank you . I wouldn't have a problem speaking openly , but I also noticed that at my concerts , I don't know who has what political views . Let's start

57:01with who comes to my concerts , but I suspect that if , um , they are from the right wing , they might experience a big shock at my concerts because there are plenty of situations where , um , I see young people who , um , are just openly kissing . It’s two guys , and I really

57:25think that this could , for example , stir up certain emotions in people who , I don't know , are religious , or whatever , but I don't exclude anyone , it’s just how things will be at these concerts . If you don't like it , well then you won't come back again . But I won't

57:48forbid anyone from anything ; I would just really like to normalize things , to show them — not to , like , strip people of their rights to love , to anything really . So that feminine strength that I have within me and that I am capable of showing at times — I'm

58:09not afraid to use it , I'm not afraid to speak out , I'm not afraid to show that I go to protests . But I don't pull out a rainbow flag , but that's not because that I have something against the rainbow flag , but simply because , I don't know . No , no , I'm just not taking

58:30that flag . Mhm . It's simply my decision , but when I feel like it , I will take it . It’s like , it's all kind of , if there is a reason for it , uh if I make such a decision , then I will simply take some

58:50steps , but I won't do anything for the audience or for more reach , only out of pure , just out of a pure desire from the heart . And how do you feel now as a woman living ? in Poznań before , for some time now in Warsaw , just as a woman , as you know , a citizen , a Polish woman ,

59:12how , how well , elections are this year . I also do political interviews . To me , it all connects . What can I tell you ? It's hopeless . Well , it's getting worse . There's such a regression that we don't really know what else is coming for us . And what ? Do you understand that ? I am

59:30asking you now privately , not as an artist , but as , as just a woman . Privately , they are taking away my rights as a woman , and I didn't think I would live to see the moment when we would have to fight for these rights again . And we have a lot of

59:51conversations among friends . What if the elections go the wrong way ? Do we stay here or do we leave ? Well , because and what , what do your friends say ? That they are leaving . Already , a mass of people are leaving . At the moment , a lot of friends are leaving for Berlin

1:00:10and I’m not surprised . I think that at the moment when let me interrupt you , are these friends who are , for example , homosexual ? In the sense of , is that the reason ? Ah no , no . And what are the main reasons ? Well , the reasons are that we are just reaching a point where we soon won't

1:00:30have the right to vote . Soon we will want to go to the elections and vote and it will turn out the results will be different . Anything can happen really , and we are all , all afraid of that . And if it comes to such a situation , well , that means that we just don't want to live in this country

1:00:49. And isn't it worth fighting for it ? Well , of course we are fighting , but there are those who simply have no strength left , and you can't be surprised by that , because it's not only and exclusively about rights . It's also about , uh , the cost of living ,

1:01:10it's about , uh , being an artist in Poland , uh , the fact that if you create art , the state simply looks at you like an outcast , it doesn't support you financially at all . Where in Germany it is , it is simply a normal job and you receive a good salary for it . And here ,

1:01:34you have to fight for your life at times . If someone doesn’t like the painting , you’re just screwed and you’ll be stuck in this hole , because it’s simply your dream and your passion . You’ll keep on painting , but you don’t know if anything will ever come of it . I don’t know , honestly ,

1:01:54it’s a subject that really affects me and moves me . And I can also adopt a sort of combative stance . Uh-huh . Because it’s hard for me to find my place in this world . I have a lot of empathy and I was raised in a place

1:02:17that was very culturally open , one that is constantly developing , that doesn't exclude , and I ended up , just not wanting to , in a place that is starting to take that away from me and it's

1:02:38getting out of control . And have you thought about leaving yourself ? I did think about leaving , but at a later age . I once assumed that when I had kids , I would raise them in Berlin , because I have such fond memories of my childhood in Berlin , that I imagined

1:03:03that it was it is a city where a child would feel comfortable . And I’ll be honest , for now , I can’t afford to do that . For now , I am in Poland . I love Poland . I love this place , in a way . I love living here , but I’m also

1:03:29attached to this place musically , and as far as relationships go , and family . I’m rather thinking that it would be nice to have a home somewhere else in the world that I can go to when it’s cold , and not spend the winter here , but that all

1:03:49really depends on what happens next in this country , because I think it’s also very important to emphasize that . I’m asking on purpose , you know ? Not just for the sake of asking , because you see , if you manifest this will not to give up , but to some extent to fight

1:04:10, as an artist , yes , but also as a citizen , it’s interesting to me . I have probably just moved past it , or I’ll put it a different way ; for me , artists who in a cynical way , even if they don’t say it cynically , but I get a cynical vibration from them

1:04:31, where they say , I just do my art and politics don’t affect me at all . Uh-huh . In my eyes , at that moment , I start seeing them through a filter of money . Meaning , I only see them in that way , and I’m not talking about artists who , I don’t know , perform on TVP . No ,

1:04:48no , I’m just saying , if if someone so cynically one wants to cut themselves off from everything that's happening and that affects , even if not directly , some , I don't know , 20 - year-old , right ? Well , because a 20 - year-old , apart from the education system , which is direct , doesn't have

1:05:06children yet , probably doesn't really pay taxes yet and so on ; it's all just starting somewhere . They say it doesn't concern them . I think that is , that they were raised cynically . I think it doesn't necessarily have to be just that issue . Aha . I think it might also be a matter of

1:05:24safety for them , because they don't want to speak up , because they're afraid to speak up , because as I said , it opens a door where you will be confronted with a given topic . And I also had my own concerns before , in the sense that for me as a teenager , politics was the most boring topic that

1:05:45ever existed . My mom has TVN24 on just non-stop . Warm greetings to her . What is your mom's name ? Barbara . Ms. Barbara , we send you warm greetings . We are glad you turned off 24 to watch the interview with your daughter . I hope that worked out . For sure . Uh my family , at all

1:06:08gatherings , politics is the main topic . Oh boy . Do you have a , do you have a hard division in the family ? Division ? No , everyone is very much in agreement . Then what is there to talk about ? Well , there are many discussions . How to solve problems further , what to do ,

1:06:24or rather how to take part in certain matters . Okay . Uh so I used to eat soup and think , oh Jesus Mary , when will they stop talking , because nothing interesting is happening here . And only as an adult

1:06:44woman , when the ground really started crumbling under our feet , only then did I get some kind of alert . Mm . To get interested , to actually take an active part , to because you understood that it's about you . Yeah . M exactly . So to , to , I will also return for a

1:07:03second . It's about that cynicism , that it's , youth has its own rules . 100 % that is true . Everyone has the right to , just like I don't know , today's 20 - year-olds say that two or three years or two and a half years of their lives were stolen by the pandemic because there were lockdowns . And yet , the

1:07:22mortality of young people from COVID was very low , and they say their vacations were taken away , their school was taken away . Taken away and that is true in a sense . Yes . It is true in a sense . for those young kids it was and and and how were they supposed to learn . Absolutely that is

1:07:38true , but a cynical reaction to reality , which manifests itself in them saying : " Fine , we don't give a damn about any of this . " Mhm . In my opinion , that's not a good reaction , because it’s also denial . Of course , of course it is . Denial is never a good reaction , right ?

1:07:58Like , if you turn a blind eye to something , put blinders on and say , " this doesn't exist , this doesn't concern me , " that's nonsense , because healthcare , roads , state railways , queues , abortion access , whether religion will be taught in schools , and so on and so forth , concern every

1:08:16single one of us . And these are the things that make up the whole picture called Poland , or called Germany , or called Spain , or any other country you might potentially move to . But don't you think that young people are speaking up much more often these days ? I think that the group , and it

1:08:36seems to come out in studies all the time , because as I say , I'm also preparing for these parliamentary elections that will be in the autumn . The largest group of people who openly declare that they either won't vote or don't know who to vote for are young people . Mhm . Of course , within this group there

1:08:55is also a large group of people who are declared and have their own views . You smiled as if you knew who for . No , no , no , no , because I see , I see those young people . The undecided are the majority . But it's probably also a situation where you're in a certain circle and

1:09:12you have a community around you and you live in it , then you often think that something is completely different than it is than it is . And I think that the biggest shock was the moment of the election results , because I surround myself with a certain environment and everyone said that we're not voting for

1:09:34our current president , Duda . And I thought : " Great , so like more and more people . I'm talking to someone all the time who tells me who they're voting for and suddenly I look at the results and I'm like : " Holy , so many people , I didn't realize we were such a

1:09:55small part . " That's incredible . What's the smallest town you've performed in ? Oh , tough question . Well , in some small town . Recall some small town , because I obviously have your concert tour for the autumn written down here , but I'm thinking back . Tarnów . Well , that's not a big city , I

1:10:16mean it's not tiny , but it's not near Poznań . I'm talking about Tarnów . Oh no , in Lesser Poland . No , no , no . That must be a different Tarnów . Okay . Yeah , because , you know , when you talk about those , uh , about your friends , right , and those elections , it also , uh , often

1:10:31seems to me that especially artists who have passed a certain , uh , point and are at a level where they mostly only perform in larger cities , you know , only take taxis and live in a way where they don't have access to those people who vote for , for example , Andrzej Duda , sticking with that

1:10:49example , and it's very easy to stay in that bubble . Right , and be surprised at the end of the whole process . For me , it's crucial this year , but it's also a multi-year project , and I’m fully aware of that , it’s about , to some extent , an attempt to glue two pieces of Poland back together . Mhm

1:11:12. Because it all comes down to that . There are two Polands . That's right , and not in the bad sense , that there are two Polands , like people sometimes say about Poland A and Poland B. Just in the sense that there are two Polands that uphold slightly different values and are pained by slightly different

1:11:27things . Mhm . Sometimes they also earn money a bit differently . Mhm . Uh , they are two Polands that both of them love children . Mhm . Only one Poland looks at how , in the process of having children , to place a woman , right ?

1:11:47Mhm . And all of this is difficult , right ? But it's all ours , because again , the times are what they are . Artists have to find their place somewhere in all of that . And I'm very glad that you are somehow able to . I'm not saying you have to be certain . I don't require you

1:12:09, you know , to have certain , I don't know , political views like that , you know , no , because you're an artist , you have , you have to create music that , that serves a different purpose , right ? Sure . But you're also a human being . Well , obviously . And that , that combines here , and I

1:12:24really appreciate that you're able to position yourself in this so honestly , because it seems to me that , well , there are fewer artists like that out there . Maybe it comes from age . Well , I don't know , I'm not 20 anymore either , and it's kind of hard for me to imagine how I would behave now as a 20 - year-old

1:12:40, right ? Because when I remember myself at 20 , you know , I had a Nirvana or Metallica t-shirt , you know , combat boots , a guitar , and I was trying to pick up girls , right ? And that was the only goal in my life . Okay . But times were a bit different

1:12:55back then , so so so so it looked a bit different . Tell me please , coming back to the music , mhm , or rather looking at your career more broadly , did you have a moment , or perhaps " problem " is a better word , that appeared on your path that you had to overcome and felt was weighing you down

1:13:20in your career ? Yes . Did you have any , you know , dark place in your career that you had to go through , overcome , or resolve ? What was it and how did you manage to deal with it ? Well , I think it was most of all about creating myself and who I am at home versus who I am on

1:13:42stage , how distant these people are from each other and whether they have anything in common , or if they are just some sort of creation of mine . A defensive one , let's call it . And that was probably the biggest difficulty I had to work through in terms of image .

1:14:07Mhm . And in terms of like , in terms of who I am on stage and how that actually connects . Because on stage I was very bold . I reached for revealing clothes .

1:14:29I was very , I also wore heavy makeup . I was always made up , actually , for quite some time . Mhm . And that image was , you know , very , let's call it " done , " and then I go back . But did you do it yourself or did you have someone ? It was more like it all

1:14:51happened within the team . Okay . But these were things that I wanted . Mhm . And later there was home , and that realization that I don't have those hair extensions , that I don't have lips as big as on stage , and that I don't dress at all like on stage , but rather I wear sweatpants and I suddenly had

1:15:19this thought : who am I , what is going on here ? And now , when I was doing the cover for the * Mother Load * album in September , it was very important to me to take off those costumes , not to make myself look like a goddess ,

1:15:42not to pretend , but just to show myself . And it might sound very strange to others , but the moment I saw the photos that were taken by my friends , Lolo and Pani , in London , my first reaction was :

1:16:04" Oh , am I really going to show myself like this to people on an album , on a record , on the cover , inside , in the middle of the record ? That won't be me in heels , in a tight dress , with some crazy makeup , with a smoothed-out face . " No , I'm joking , but it will just

1:16:25be me . And it took me a while to let off the pressure and say , " How wonderful . " And do you like yourself now ? Very much . I'm not sure if " very much . " I guess so . I like myself . The first answer was good . It was so quick , honest .

1:16:44I like , I like . Uh , I think I like myself much more than ever before . Uh , and it was a long process , because I think what makes it hardest for young people , and for everyone really , is that we compare ourselves to others ,

1:17:05and social media messes with everyone's head . And I only just realized now how important individuality is , being yourself and not like someone else . Just because , I don't know , someone

1:17:27else is beautiful in a different way , that's also awesome . Don't be jealous , like , focus on yourself , tell yourself what you like about yourself , but don't obsess that you have to have the same body , because you have a completely different body type . Like , all that rationalizing was very necessary . And

1:17:50taking off the mask brings relief . It means you don't have to wonder for two weeks what you'll wear to a concert and how you'll squeeze into it , and whether something will snag , or if you'll trip in those shoes , no — there's no room for that . It takes the pressure off ,

1:18:13which is mega necessary , and I think shedding those layers one by one was really needed for me to realize that this is awesome . That is you in your own way , not like everyone else . And I wish that for everyone , whether they're

1:18:35an artist or just young people . who are struggling with various problems , really , not to get sucked into that swamp , because it's very dangerous and hard to get out of . It takes a lot of

1:18:55time . And how do you look at or rather , how do you define your insecurities now ? Well , that they exist . Do you acknowledge them ? There are things I don't like , but I think I talk about them less in

1:19:16general . That's why no , I don't ask you about things . Yeah , in the sense that they exist , but are they flaws , but thanks to that they are also like , they are me . Mhm . And you know what , that helped me

1:19:39a lot , like , to solve this problem . A situation like at home a drawer with bags , and that drawer with bags is half-open every time . I mean , my not by me , actually . Plastic bags of that type .

1:19:59Everyone has such a drawer . Exactly . Exactly . So when I walk through the hallway , I see it's open again , but it's not closed . I tell myself : " Honey , could you please remember to close that cabinet , because ... " and I already have this lump in my throat , and I thought , Rosji , just

1:20:17close that cabinet and look at how many other things this guy does for you . See how much the other person gives you that is completely different . very important elements . He doesn't have to be just like you . And that is a

1:20:38breakthrough moment for me , when screw the cupboard , like it's such a micro-detail , if it annoys you , close it . But also notice those good sides that the other person gives you , because I'm not the same as Dawid . I don't do the same things for him that

1:20:58he does for me . By no means . We are completely different and I think forgiving each other or letting go of things sometimes helps more than getting annoyed that something isn't how you want it , because it's a bit like that ,

1:21:23that we want others , maybe not everyone is like that , but when you are a person who cleans a lot , you don't want someone else to make a mess . And are you a person who cleans a lot ? You said it like like some No , no , I was trying to find some connection with you somewhere . Well

1:21:39yeah . I like it when it's clean . Yeah . Exactly . I like it when it's clean , but well , not like cleaning . Although we cleaned the windows this weekend . Oh , that is my favorite activity , so that , so that no one takes me to court later . Karolina was the one who

1:21:56cleaned the windows . This time Karolina cleaned the windows , but it's not like only she cleans the windows . In this regard we are progressive , right ? Do we share window cleaning ? Once this time we terribly annoying job , isn't it ? You need a trick for that . Well of course you need a trick , but

1:22:15these windows once you get the trick , it goes okay . Depends on how many windows you have . I think a few . I mean , for me , window cleaning is associated with such a squeegee makes it much easier . But I don't have a squeegee . A squeegee speeds it up by half , I swear ,

1:22:28that you just wash , wash , wash , and then you swipe it just like in the movies , right ? Those guys swipe swipe swipe , if it's putty and you always leave some streak , screw those streaks , right ? I mean , we aren't cleaning for mom here , you know what I mean , right ? We

1:22:41aren't cleaning because mom is coming over and will look at the windows , we are just cleaning for ourselves . Well , obviously , for me , clean windows are those that aren't dirty , but they aren't like , you know , a perfect glass taken out of the dishwasher . It would be nice , but still

1:22:55, you live in the city and in two days they will be , you know , dusty again , because that's how it works , right ? So that tidying up before Christmas Eve and such situations are things that Mhm . And there are no longer those kind of things . My dear , what is , if there was

1:23:15such a thing from someone in the industry , what is the best advice , what is the best advice you've received that guides you and serves you ? Oh , wow . Advice from the industry , well , from someone in the industry , but it could be , could be life advice , if that comes to mind more , but did

1:23:34someone I think the most important words that I actually heard this year were to stay true to yourself and do things that are close to your heart . Uh , because that is when it's most authentic and , uh , can achieve the greatest success . I agree with that .

1:24:00When it comes to personalities like mine , because the moment I bend or have to do something for someone else , I immediately feel an internal friction . I don't even like how , you know , my

1:24:20posture changes and my jaw tightens from irritation and indeed , like , that belief in one's own capabilities is probably key . So I think those words

1:24:42were very important to me , because they just reinforced my gut feeling that this is how I should act . That's good . That all paints a picture of a calm , confident Rosja , who has just released an album .

1:25:03Mhm . Starting a tour in the fall . You'll probably play some festivals in the summer . Sure . Will you have a good time ? But I'll also be stressed , for sure . Yes . And about what , most of all ? We're already talking about a situation where , remember , it's the end of April ,

1:25:21not the end of May . The record is already , the record is already , you know , it's already the first concert with new material is an indescribable emotion . And how , damn it , because you're also a consumer , you go to concerts . Mhm . Do you know that uncomfortable moment when you go to a concert of an

1:25:37artist you like and they say this sentence : " Hey , we're going to play you something from the new album now . " And everyone is like : " You know , it's not always like that , but you know what I'm talking about , right ? " So , at the moment you have new material , I think

1:25:53it's completely natural to play all the new material . Uh , and people are prepared for it , and even , uh , very , uh , want it , expect it . Sometimes yes , and sometimes it's a good thing I'm not in my own audience . I say , but I'm not talking about your audience , I'm talking in general . Have

1:26:13you never been in such a situation at a concert , where you are at no , I remember someone , that , uh , there was such a request , uh , because a while ago I released a track that went into a TVN commercial , more . Mhm . Yeah , there were many people who really

1:26:32wanted to hear that song , and I just couldn't play it , because I was simply sick of it , and , uh , there were moments where I didn't quite know what to do when you hear : " more , more , " and I’m like , " No , no , no , no , that song’s

1:26:50not happening . " Goodbye . Yeah , but with new material , it’s not like that . I think my audience is very aware that I’m releasing new material and they’re always , like , waiting for that moment . That’s completely clear , but haven’t you ever — I’m speaking as a listener now — been to a concert ,

1:27:11you know , you go to a concert of an artist , I don’t know , let's take someone super unknown , Vito Bambino , right , like a newcomer . You go to a concert , you go to a Vito Bambino concert , or whatever that guy's name is , so cool , tall , and you go and

1:27:26tall . Mati , you said it , you . I think he doesn't hide it . I think he doesn't hide it . He was over at my place a few days ago . You go to his concert . You rascal , you . Hey , I’m terrible . I know . And you go to his concert , and let's say Bitamina

1:27:44is there , which doesn't exist anymore . Well , but let's assume that , and you know , they play " Dom " and all those tracks you love , and suddenly they say : " Hey , now we're going to play something from the new album for you . " How do you react then ? Do you say : " Oh

1:27:55great , something I don't know at all and don't feel like listening to . " Or do you think , eh , I’d rather they played something I already know ? No , usually I have this feeling : " Well , show me what you've got . " Okay . It's more about curiosity . Will they surprise me ?

1:28:09Mhm . In what direction will it go ? Mhm . Will it be even better ? That’s more what I feel . Okay . And how many listens to a track do you need to usually decide whether you like it or not ? One . Oh , you . I actually have that with one

1:28:30track right now . I can't , it’s on such a loop . I just can't stop . What is it ? I don't remember the title . The girl is called Koko . Wait . It's awesome . Everyone . Yes . Oh damn , good , good vibes . Many ways , many ways . Alright , I'll add it to my

1:28:49favorites . Yeah , it's a great combination . And what ? Oh , sorry , because those listening might be listening to Koko . It's spelled with a C. Coco . Oh , period . very 90s , a beautiful melody , super smooth , and as soon as I heard it the first time , I

1:29:11was like , " Oh God , when I start singing harmonies , it means I love it . " Mhm . And after one , you know , one note , one listen , and you know if it clicks or not . Great . I can't do that . That's exactly one of those things . That's one

1:29:25of those things I wish I had . I mean , sometimes it's cool , because when I listen to an album , um , the whole thing , Mhm . for example yours , or when I'm preparing and I actually listen to entire albums , I have this thing where I don't know , for a very long time I don't know .

1:29:42Mhm . And sometimes , for example , I don't know , by the third time , if , you know , Spotify starts in my car or something , and a track comes on , I'm like , " Okay , now . " And then , and then it is , but I envy people who can right away

1:30:01um determine their stance on music , not their own , of course . Yes . Mhm . Great . Well , I think I have a very precise radar . Well , you definitely do , you described it very accurately . Yes , yes , yes . Absolutely . My dear , it was a pleasure .

1:30:22For me as well . I'm very happy to see you the way you are today . It's a really good picture . Thank you . Um , I wish you luck with Motherload , but the picture you've painted here during this conversation suggests it will simply be fine ,

1:30:43that you need to stress out . Because , you know , the light might not work or something might be crackling in the monitors , but now you know that you can say something is crackling in the monitors and it'll be okay . I'm happy you have support in the partner you have . I'm happy you have a

1:31:00dog that is so well-behaved during this recording . I don't think the microphones picked that up . Oh , Lusia . Yes , Lusia . Lotka . Lotka , sorry . Lotka shook herself once . It was supposed to be Lusia . Amazing . She shook herself once , but now she's lying flat like a little sausage in the

1:31:16corner of my studio , so that makes me incredibly happy . Yes . Guests can bring their dogs here . Well , unless they have a giraffe , then not quite . A beautiful story , and I hope your story keeps heading in a good direction , which I wish for you . Thank you very much .

1:31:32Thank you . Thank you all , and so ? See you later . M.

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