Confidence isn't loud, here's how to find your voice | Nimi Mehta

0:00all right balances today's guest is

0:01someone I'm really excited to have on

0:03the show because you know when you just

0:05come across those profiles on Instagram

0:08and you're just magnetically drawn to

0:10someone and I'm talking like from the

0:12point of view where I feel like we

0:14almost have similar neural Pathways in

0:16our brain we think about things in a

0:18very similar way so I think this is

0:20going to be a very synergistic easy

0:22conversation so I'm really excited to

0:23have you on today um our guest is the

0:26CEO of speaker by nimi meta she's a TV

0:30and radio presenter an MC a podcast host

0:32a speaker a public speaking Mentor what

0:35don't you

0:36do it's uh the the beautiful nimi meta

0:40on the podcast today welcome to the show

0:42thank you so much for having me I'm so

0:43excited to be here and to to synergize

0:46with you oh I love it no we're going to

0:48there's going to be a lot of

0:50synergizing I think um one of the first

0:53things that I was really interested in

0:55was your journey from and I think this

0:57is something a lot of people resonate

0:59with that feeling of completing your

1:01degree so you studied journalism and

1:03getting your first job which you have

1:05described as being your dream job at the

1:08time and just that first year experience

1:11and what happened directly after cuz I

1:12think that's important context to

1:14understand kind of where you've come to

1:15now yeah yeah that's a great first

1:18question so I mean just to set the scene

1:21I guess for for people did journalism at

1:24University came straight out at the age

1:26of 21 and got the job to be an MTV

1:28presenter

1:30and that for me just felt so normal at

1:33the time when something like that

1:34happens to you you think that life is

1:35that easy especially at such a young age

1:37you know you come out thinking wow it's

1:39really going to be doggy dog and then

1:41this happens and it was amazing so you

1:43just applied and got the job just

1:44applied it was like an online

1:46competition um you had to submit a video

1:48re and so I booked out my local Church's

1:51Hall and I grabbed all my family and

1:54friends and I said I need you to be

1:55extras and we were in the dressing room

1:58and I was walking through present

2:00pretending it's fashion week and I had

2:02like my sister getting her hair done by

2:04her friend and you know people throwing

2:06clothes around I love the it's still on

2:08YouTube to this day just because it's so

2:10iconic for me I'm like I really produced

2:12directed and presented in that that's

2:14amazing and so that is what got me the

2:17gig but it was just what followed after

2:21you know and and I think that we all

2:23have these dreams and these goal posts

2:25so to say and I really thought at that

2:28age that you have one goal post you get

2:31to that goalpost and then it's over

2:33life's done life's done like sign seal

2:35delivered like it's over um in a really

2:38good way that oh I'm it's going to be

2:39plain sailing after this obviously it

2:42wasn't and um it was it was a real hit

2:45to the ego it was a real hit to you know

2:48my mindset of like Oh what now you know

2:51where do I go now and I just wasn't

2:53prepared for what was after and so I

2:55think that's when I realized and it

2:57really hit me that my dreams are ever

2:59evolving and Ever Changing and sometimes

3:02when you think something is your dream

3:04it's not it's just a stepping stone

3:07towards the bigger picture yeah there's

3:09always um a bigger piece at play I think

3:12we've forgotten one key detail though so

3:13you got the job at MTV and then what

3:15happened yeah that shattered your ego

3:17yeah yeah well I was there for a year

3:19and I had a contract for the year and

3:21then the contract ended and I was

3:22unemployed for a few years after that

3:25trying to hustle back in to be a

3:27presenter so so they just didn't renew

3:29it yeah they didn't renew it the channel

3:30that they basically created was

3:32something called like District MTV so

3:33they were trying a new concept of music

3:35and fashion together and it just wasn't

3:38picking up so they they ended it all and

3:40that was me that was me done well you

3:43know what's really interesting what a

3:44beautiful lesson to learn at such a

3:46young age that your dreams are ever

3:48evolving and that goals are not I like

3:52talking about it in the frame of goals

3:53are not end posts they're are goal posts

3:56no what do I I can't remember even how I

3:58talk about it now but it's kind of like

4:00they're just markers along your journey

4:01so you're running a marathon right it's

4:03not the Finish Line it's just like oh

4:05you've reached this part of the process

4:07and the reason I think this is so

4:09important to really Embrace is because

4:12it helps you enjoy the process which is

4:13something I really struggle with that

4:15patience peace when not much is

4:17happening or things are happening but

4:19they're happening in a different way to

4:20what you think you actually zoom out and

4:22you remember you're just in that middle

4:24part of between those checkpoints and

4:27when you really zoom out all the way you

4:29realize that's actually what life is

4:31it's not about you know I had a similar

4:33experience where I thought that

4:35achieving this goal getting this job or

4:37you know reaching this point was going

4:38to feel a certain way and yeah okay it

4:41felt great but then it was over and it

4:42was like okay now what's the next part

4:45of life so I think it's good to have had

4:47that reframe at such a young age where

4:49you're like okay my goals are actually

4:51just markers of what's next yeah and and

4:54the thing is no one teaches us this you

4:56know life does yeah life does and these

4:59experien is teach you and obviously

5:00we're in a wonderful position now where

5:02we can look back and in hindsight be

5:04like oh thank God it really taught me a

5:06lot for some people I know it can go the

5:08other way I just think that you know as

5:11we take on these experiences I think we

5:14need to know that we are never ever the

5:16finished product and I think that's what

5:17I was always chasing as a as a young

5:19individual who wanted to be a TV

5:21presenter I want to be jam Jam or I want

5:23to be deina MCO on the TV and that was

5:26what I had my eyes set on and I was like

5:29they had their own journey I didn't

5:31recognize that at the time I thought oh

5:33overnight they were successes but I

5:35think that it it just built my character

5:37a lot more yeah absolutely so you were

5:39saying you were unemployed for a few

5:40years and then what was the next thing

5:42and how did you work out how to get to

5:45that place after kind of being a little

5:47disappointed in that initial dream yeah

5:50I I really believe in the power of

5:53proximity so for me even though I was

5:58let go at MTV

6:00they under this group called Viacom and

6:02within Viacom they have like Brands like

6:04Nickelodeon and stuff like that and I

6:07thought you know what I'm going to try

6:08and get a job at any of these companies

6:10as long as I'm in the building as long

6:13as I'm in the building someone will

6:15remember me or I will hear Whispers of

6:17like a new job opening up you know and

6:19and so I thought as long as I'm there I

6:21I'll be their next choice and so I

6:24applied for a job at Nickelodeon which

6:26was an advert scheduler just sitting day

6:30just scheduling adverts it was so

6:32monotonous but I just thought I'm there

6:35and nothing came of it I would love to

6:37sit here and tell you like oh my God

6:38yeah and then something happened it

6:39didn't but the reason I'm sharing this

6:41with you is because I never lost sight I

6:45never gave up hope and so then for me it

6:48was also the process of elimination I

6:50sat with myself and I was like okay you

6:51want to become a TV presenter cool what

6:54about everything else within the media

6:56industry let's learn every single role

6:59possible possible let's experience it

7:01and then let's actually find out if you

7:03do want to be a TV presenter cuz you

7:04might get behind the camera and think

7:06wow I actually love being a producer or

7:08a director okay that now my goals

7:10changed to that and you know I tried

7:13everything from editorial my local

7:15newspaper to Hello magazine to an

7:18internship with ITV you know behind one

7:21of the biggest breakfast shows in the

7:22country I was hustling I was so

7:25persistent with every work experience

7:28job I mean I got an email and back then

7:30you know there was no such thing as uh

7:32you know just clicking a button and

7:34being connected to someone on LinkedIn

7:35or you know following them on Instagram

7:37and dming them it was literally showing

7:39up at the door so even if you sent an

7:41email there was no recognition of it I

7:43was showing up the door with physical

7:45paper CVS yeah for anyone young

7:48listening we really did do that and I

7:50would show up doing that and I remember

7:52I got one of my internships because a

7:54guy who was a producer a local TV show

7:59just wasn't responding to me on my

8:00emails and I just kept going like I was

8:03like once a month I had set like dates

8:05on my calendar to keep sending him an

8:08email like hey just let you know I'm

8:09here and if anything comes up let me

8:11know like I wasn't pushy at all but one

8:14month came up and he goes you are so

8:18persistent like you will not give up but

8:20lucky for you something's just come up

8:22and this was like 6 to8 months after I'd

8:24first connected with him and so my point

8:26being that if you set your eyes on

8:28something just keep going like the worst

8:31that can happen is they say no okay well

8:33you can't miss something you never had

8:34but if you keep going something might

8:36come out of it so it was that it was me

8:39trying absolutely everything under the

8:41sun until I realized you know what TV

8:43presenting is what I want to do and I

8:45went into radio then CU there was there

8:47was such a lack of opportunity in TV in

8:50the UK and so I wanted to expand my

8:52skill set went into radio at a local

8:54radio station and um did that for like

8:57five months I was shocking inly bad it

9:00was oh it was hideous Hest I'm going to

9:02play you a clip from it but it was just

9:04like my voice was different I you could

9:06tell I'm like super rushed and super

9:08anxious and I didn't really know what I

9:10was doing it was going out to like a

9:12thousand people in my local town and

9:14then 5 months later I moved to Radio 1

9:17abudhabi to host a national breakfast

9:19show so that was that was a crazy

9:23Journey for me from going from like a

9:24thousand people to a whole nation yeah

9:26wow and you actually never know like I

9:29always say every networking thing you do

9:32every job every relationship like I feel

9:35like we get so stuck in like oh that was

9:37such a waste of time but honestly every

9:39little thing has its role and leads you

9:41to exactly where you're meant to be

9:43right so even if that F Monon radio job

9:45was like oh whatever it serve me nothing

9:47maybe you wouldn't have gotten attention

9:48for the Abu dhab role if you hadn't had

9:50that on your resume so you just never

9:52know how all these things kind of play

9:54together um before I ask you the next

9:56question I'll just share one thing that

9:58really helped me be continue to be

10:00persistent because it's the same thing

10:02with you know if you're trying to get

10:03certain people on the podcast or you're

10:05trying to pit yourself for certain

10:06things you're going to get a lot of

10:07rejection like don't sit here thinking

10:09just because you see XYZ person on the

10:11show I don't experience rejection like

10:13it happens to everyone and for anyone to

10:15get anywhere you have to go through the

10:17hurdles of rejection that's life but a

10:19really beautiful reframe for me was

10:21imagine you knew you had 50 NOS before

10:24you got a yes you'd be going as fast as

10:26you could to get through and CH through

10:28all those and just so you could hurry up

10:30and get to the yes so seeing every

10:32rejection or setback is just that's one

10:34less one before my yes or before my

10:36opportunity has been like a really great

10:38reframe for me to just keep going right

10:40and not take it personally because half

10:42the time it's not personal at all all

10:44you know what I mean yeah so then you've

10:47you've gone into this Abu Dhabi role and

10:49now you're kind of in this

10:51entrepreneurial freelancing doing a bit

10:53of everything so this transition into

10:56being I guess career focused to

10:59entrepreneurial if I can call it that

11:01Focus what have been the biggest things

11:03you've learned in that transition yeah

11:05wow so I did radio on abudhabi for a

11:07year until Channel 4 poached me over to

11:09Dubai so then I was at Channel 4 hosting

11:11the breakfast show for 5 years and that

11:13was a grind that was like 4 a.m wakeups

11:16that was it was a lifestyle Choice it

11:18really was um doing a show from 6: to 10

11:20I did that solidly for 5 years we we

11:22were named the number one show in the

11:24country you know and I absolutely loved

11:26it and adored it and you know years I

11:29was unemployed that I was telling you

11:31back in the

11:32UK um the power of visualization and

11:35manifestation is real like I know we we

11:39hear it and we see it and we consume so

11:41much stuff that just sounds so fuzzy

11:44that's like yeah visualization

11:45manifestation I cannot stress it enough

11:48it is one of the key things that got me

11:49to where I am today I agree so I

11:52remember sitting there in my bed whilst

11:53I was crying cuz I was unemployed and

11:56miserable tissues in toe yeah exactly

11:58and I and I came to Dubai on and off

12:00growing up anyway and I was like you

12:02know what let's just see what's out

12:03there and I was on channel 4 dubai.com

12:06and I saw like the presenter lineup and

12:09all these faces and I remember like I

12:12kid you not Erica I was sitting there

12:13for like an hour just staring at that

12:16lineup staring and just visualizing

12:18myself in that lineup and I kept saying

12:20you're going to be there you're going to

12:22be there you're going to be there and I

12:24mean it didn't happen overnight I would

12:26love to say that but it happened

12:27literally a few years later

12:29where I was then hosting the breakfast

12:32show of that lineup and so this kind of

12:35power of believing really changed the

12:38game for me but that was a solid job

12:41that was my dream job that I've been

12:42working all these years to be you know

12:44at the top of the game the you know for

12:47me as well a female in radio females

12:50were generally considered kind of like

12:52giggle girls in radio the guy was the

12:54main guy and the girl would just kind of

12:56laugh at whatever the guy says that is

12:58just a classic Radio set up I was really

13:00lucky cuz my co-host and me had a 50/50

13:03share you know we were very much like

13:05equal voices but I love the show and um

13:09it just got to a point where I was like

13:11it is time for a change and you feel it

13:13you feel it in your bones like you know

13:16it and so I know and I and from my

13:19community I have a lot of people who

13:20talk to me about how did you take the

13:22leap like how did you make that change

13:24how did you believe in yourself and it

13:26came down to one thing and that was

13:28which fear do I choose so there were two

13:31fears the first was oh my gosh but if I

13:34leave I have a solid salary here so

13:37financially I was covered it was my

13:39comfort zone I knew it day in day out I

13:42had a routine with it the third was you

13:44know this was your dream are you going

13:46to let go of your dream I was holding on

13:49to that fear of but the unknown what's

13:51going to happen next and then that was

13:54one side of the fear the second side of

13:56the fear was okay but are you still

13:59going to be here in five years time are

14:02you still going to feel undervalued in

14:05five years time are you still going to

14:07be saying to yourself oh nimi why are

14:09you here are you still going to be

14:11getting out of bed every morning feeling

14:12like it's more of a chore than a spring

14:15in your step and that fear outweighed

14:19the fear before I was so scared of

14:22staying stagnant that any fear I felt

14:26about leaving and taking the leap was

14:29just irrelevant to me cuz I was like I

14:31would rather look back and say I'm so

14:34proud you tried than oh I'm so proud you

14:37stayed and stayed in your little Comfort

14:39box and you know shied away from your

14:42potential so if anyone is feeling like

14:46they're in that kind of period and and

14:47scared to kind of take the next step I

14:50would say weigh out your fear which one

14:53scares you more because for me it was

14:55definitely the latter that is such a

14:57powerful question and in a very similar

14:59vein a question you could also ask is um

15:02which discomfort do you want to choose

15:03it's it's very similar question because

15:05the reality is it's uncomfortable not

15:08pursuing things that you dream about or

15:10things that you wish you wanted to do

15:12and it's also uncomfortable pursuing

15:14them because you're you know dealing

15:16with potentially not feeling like you're

15:18worthy to do it and self-doubt and the

15:21uncertainty and all of that but then the

15:23flip of that is actually just not doing

15:25it at all never trying never knowing and

15:27being stuck in something that maybe is

15:29not setting your heart on fire so yeah I

15:31think just being really honest with

15:33yourself like it's I feel like this is

15:35one of those things where if you get

15:37that feeling like you described it in

15:39your bones I know that feeling it's

15:41happened you know iconic moments in my

15:43life where in that moment you have the I

15:46think it's like twofold you have that

15:48feeling and you acknowledge what's going

15:50on and then it's the action piece and

15:52that's obviously the hardest part but

15:54but getting raw with yourself I think is

15:56the most actionable thing you can do

15:58because it helps you what you're like at

16:00a fork in a road and it's like okay

16:02which one which one do I want to go for

16:04so I think that's really good advice for

16:05anybody listening um and really you can

16:08apply that to any juncture or Crossroad

16:11in your life with anything relationships

16:14decisions with your health like you know

16:15what I mean like pick your fear or pick

16:17your discomfort 100% And I would say

16:20that your body tells you exactly what

16:22you want and this is something that I've

16:24kind of learned to listen to We we talk

16:27about listening to our mind and our

16:28heart all the time but our body is so

16:31aligned with us in the sense that if I

16:34feel something in my bones that term

16:37exists for a reason right because you

16:38feel it in your core in your gut I I

16:41have a 5-sec rule where I'm like okay as

16:44soon as I feel something I hold on to

16:46that because in 5 seconds my mind's

16:48going to start convincing me of

16:49otherwise my mind's going to start

16:51convincing me no no no don't leave don't

16:54leave because what about money what

16:55about this what about stability what

16:57about you know but you want to be able

16:59to afford you know a house next year how

17:00are you going to be able to do that you

17:01know all these little Elements of Life

17:03that come through the extras that really

17:06don't contribute to your core your mind

17:09convinces you otherwise of what your

17:10body tells you so I set a 5-second rule

17:13as soon as I have thought and felt

17:15something I instantly am aware that my

17:17mind's going to kick in any second and I

17:19need to like hold that piece I need to

17:22hold that core gut gut feeling I'm

17:25getting I need to hold on to that and I

17:27would say that a lot of us avoid it a

17:30lot a lot of us ignore it because it's

17:31probably the easiest thing to do and so

17:35that kind of discipline has really

17:37changed the game for me in decision

17:39making and taking these kind of leaps

17:41yeah that's amazing and um often I think

17:44the reason I mean the brain is the

17:46rational part of the body we we owe a

17:48lot to it for keeping us alive but it

17:51does try and give meaning to everything

17:53when sometimes it stands on its own

17:55enough as it is and I think the reason

17:58that that is so good like I love that

18:00just sitting with the thought for five

18:02seconds and just noticing what that

18:04kneejerk reaction is yeah because that

18:06often is a little bit uncomfortable

18:08because it's prompting change right but

18:10if you actually just that's a really

18:12good actionable thing people can take

18:13and and maybe practice that's a good way

18:16to start listening to that inner voice

18:18that you know when we talk about

18:19following your Intuition or being more

18:21intuitive I think it comes down to small

18:23things like this my um fiance he used to

18:25be a chiropractor and um I mean he's had

18:28a career shift which is totally random

18:30but in his times being a chiropractor we

18:33used to talk about how the body's

18:35language was pain and I find this really

18:39interesting just in kind of like a

18:40tangent of what we're talking about is

18:43it will also send you signals when

18:44things are not right as equally as when

18:47you want need to make change or or do

18:48something different and so what I find

18:50really interesting I don't know if

18:51anyone or yourself can resonate with

18:53this but if I'm really stressed or I'm

18:55really out of alignment I will always

18:57get the same pain and it's in my neck

19:00it's always just neck pain and I always

19:01used to think oh I'm on the computer too

19:03much but I remember it happening one

19:05time when I was on holidays I got um you

19:07know something happened and I I got a

19:08bit stressful and I was like well I

19:10haven't been on my computer so I now

19:11noticed that as like my body's language

19:14but I think just tuning into little

19:15things whether it is in moments of

19:17stress in moments of change um whether

19:19it's a kneejerk reaction before your

19:21mind kicks in like just getting familiar

19:23with how you respond to things and what

19:25that looks like in your body is so

19:27powerful to take control of your own

19:29life so yeah and that also applies you

19:32know I've like deeply studied this even

19:34when it comes to like communication but

19:36that also applies to like when you meet

19:38people I don't know about you I don't

19:39know if you've ever met like in a social

19:41situation you bumped into new people

19:43you've met them my body instantly tells

19:45me if I am the vibe yeah you can feel

19:48the energy am I for that person or am I

19:51not and usually I when I even when my

19:53body tells me not they're not my vibe I

19:57still then convince myself no know it's

19:59okay like oh I'm I start doubting myself

20:01rather than doubting the other person

20:03and we need to trust ourselves more

20:05that's what it comes down to and I think

20:07that this is when we start to get into

20:10you know bad friendships or bad

20:12relationships because we are not

20:14following our gut and that that we need

20:16to be able to pick up these signs and

20:18that level of self-awareness is really

20:20key I think yeah and I think um one

20:22thing that helped me get comfortable

20:23with that cuz I was a bit like oh but

20:25they're not a bad person I was over over

20:26complicating it I was like it's not even

20:28about good or bad or that they've done

20:30something wrong it's just alignment like

20:32at the end of the day like our energies

20:33are just not aligned and that doesn't

20:35mean I need to not like you or doesn't

20:37mean you have to have done something

20:38wrong to me we're just not aligned and I

20:40just don't need to give you more than

20:42what I have to totally and fine so fine

20:45I'd love to ask you a bit about finding

20:47your voice like obviously through

20:48speaker and and different things that

20:50you're doing now that's something you're

20:51helping other people achieve and I think

20:54it's such a powerful thing I mean as a

20:57podcast host I know the power of my

20:58voice in learning in communicating in

21:02understanding different things and and I

21:05think connecting is another big one too

21:07so when it comes to finding your voice

21:09what does that actually mean because I

21:10think there may be a lot of people

21:12listening have not even considered what

21:14is my what is my voice like what does

21:16even now that I'm thinking about it like

21:18okay it's the physical thing like it's

21:20my voice but what does that mean in

21:22terms of how I portray myself to the

21:25world and how how do people go about

21:26locating what that even is for them

21:29yeah great question I think for me the

21:31reason that all kind of started was when

21:34I was shifting from my main job which

21:36was being on the radio to then what next

21:39and I had a like kind of mind shift of

21:43perspective so I went from the day to

21:45day okay this is taking over month to

21:47month this is taking over to then legacy

21:50mode I went to mode of what am I leaving

21:53behind what am I sharing with people

21:56around me that I have learned from my

21:58journey that they can you know that can

22:01help them along theirs and that's when I

22:04started to think about how I used to be

22:06an absolute mute as a child and now I'm

22:09hosting some of the biggest events and

22:10TV shows in country I wouldn't believe

22:12that for a second right and and my Mom

22:14and Grandma still to this day are like

22:16are you the same person like they just

22:18cannot it doesn't click for them but

22:21that really resonated with me and so

22:23what I did was I sat down and I was like

22:25okay so how did you get from A to Z how

22:27did you do it

22:29and I realized what I have taught myself

22:32I could framework and I could help

22:33people to actually learn that framework

22:35and do it in less time than I can so it

22:38was that shift of to to legacy mode of

22:40what do I actually want to leave behind

22:42and that kind of like zooming out and

22:44bigger picture of that this is so much

22:47bigger than you what's your purpose like

22:48what's your impact 100% And so then you

22:53know I looked at okay I found my voice I

22:55found my voice and I kept asking myself

22:57the question what does that mean though

22:58me what does that mean and so it was

23:01identifying what was truly me and I

23:05created something called The Voice layer

23:07Theory after doing all of my kind of

23:09like looking back and you know H how can

23:12I build this and how can I teach this to

23:13other people and the easiest way to

23:15describe it is that when you're when

23:17you're born uh in your most you know

23:20developing early years the biggest

23:23influence on your voice from the get-go

23:26your parents right your mom dad or your

23:29Guardians whoever is is Raising you and

23:32on top of that then say you've got your

23:34voice here you've got the parents on top

23:36then on top of that we go to school

23:38we've got teachers we've got other

23:39students on top of that we're consuming

23:41media TV radio on top of that now in a

23:44world of social media where millions of

23:46voices are influencing us telling us

23:49what we should feel what we should think

23:51what our opinions should be on certain

23:52things and what I realized is we're

23:55there at the bottom we're the foundation

23:57but the all these are building up on top

23:59of us and what's happening is our own

24:02voice is getting diluted so I don't know

24:04about you but like in any situation even

24:07with my partner I say something and I'm

24:09like that wasn't me that was my mom yeah

24:12oh yeah that's a big one he's actually

24:13been good calling me out being like yeah

24:15that was your mom yeah and I'm so glad

24:18he does because we sometimes we do need

24:20that you know when I'm when I'm with a

24:22friend and she's like what do you want

24:24to have for dinner and I'm like Oh sushi

24:26and she's like oh yes let's go for sushi

24:28and I'm like lii did you want sushi or

24:30did you just know that she loves sushi

24:32so you're going for sushi you're like

24:34damn should have picked the ramen right

24:36obsessed with Ramen by the way obsessed

24:38um so it was all of these things of we

24:40got so many people influencing our voice

24:43and what we don't do and what we've

24:45never been taught from a young age is

24:46that our voice is its own

24:49nucleus we kind of just think it's a

24:51default and a given but your voice is

24:53your greatest asset it is one of the

24:56core things that help you you to

24:59communicate who you are to the world how

25:02come we haven't done the groundwork in

25:04identifying what that voice is so

25:07there's a way to kind of identify that

25:09and break all those layers down and it

25:11takes a lot of time i' would love to sit

25:12here and say okay okay I can you can do

25:14it yeah yeah but it took me a lot of

25:16time and what I did was first was

25:18isolate my voice so that was taking

25:21myself away for like a week or so when I

25:23say taking myself away I wish I was

25:25going to like some Private Island no it

25:27was just not cons consuming social media

25:29detox it was exactly that detox and then

25:32also just not talking to a lot of people

25:34for a week which is Amazing by the way

25:36and we all need to do it we need to just

25:38sit with ourselves for a while and I

25:40started questioning everything question

25:44everything if I if you walk away with

25:46anything if you're listening right now

25:48and you walk away with anything today is

25:49just question every decision you make

25:52every thought you have every opinion and

25:55feeling you have why do I feel that way

25:58how come how come that's what you chose

26:01I started even questioning like the

26:03tiniest things from what what do I want

26:06to have for dinner okay why are you

26:08choosing that why n me and it's really

26:11can get really tedious but the point is

26:13that that's the only way to break

26:15through because then you start realizing

26:18why you start making these choices is it

26:20you or is it someone else highly

26:22influencing it what's the source what's

26:24the source and I got to the point where

26:25I was like journalism I started

26:27questioning my whole career my purpose

26:29and I was like did I do it cuz my mom

26:31wanted me to do it or did I want to do

26:32it and you have a bit of an identity

26:34crisis through it all but that just

26:35means it's working yeah it's really

26:37working so I isolated my voice

26:40completely and then what I started doing

26:42was evaluating the voices around me so

26:45the five closest people to me you know

26:47they say the you are the average of the

26:49five closest people to you okay who who

26:51are they then let's actually identify

26:53them and let's actually recognize if

26:55there a positive influence on my voice

26:57if they are guiding my voice enhancing

26:59my voice are they helping it in any way

27:02or are they dimming my voice and so

27:05that's what made me really identify the

27:07people and then for me it was just

27:09elimination you know and and I had to be

27:11pretty Cutthroat because I'm like this

27:13is this is me this is my nucleus I have

27:16to protect my voice at all costs and I

27:19don't think we think of it that way no

27:21and when I when I interviewed Gary Vee I

27:24asked him about that and I said so how

27:26did you find your voice

27:28and you know how how would you share

27:30with other people that they can find

27:32their voice and he said you know I found

27:35my voice in the trenches of other voices

27:37and he said that my mom was such a

27:40positive influence on my voice and I

27:43just realized that other people's voices

27:45don't matter so much to me you know and

27:47he completely isolated his voice away

27:50from everyone else to identify what it

27:52is and and that to me was just like okay

27:55this guy knows what he's doing you know

27:57they say never take advice from people

27:59who haven't already done it he's done it

28:01right and so that those two things for

28:04me was isolating my voice and then

28:05evaluating all the voices around me and

28:07then rebuilding rebuilding the voices

28:09around you okay so who does make you

28:10feel good who does enhance your voice

28:13and then that started to beef out the

28:16skeleton a bit of of what it is that's

28:18truly me and I think that that's what

28:21finding your voice is and by the way

28:23it's an Ever evolving Journey it is I

28:25can't sit here and say to you yep I

28:26found it I've mastered it 100% % no no

28:28no it changes every single day and

28:31sometimes other voices outgrow you too

28:33you know we talk about friends

28:34outgrowing and like you just meet each

28:36other at a certain path and and then you

28:38kind of Amic amicably go your different

28:41ways but that's how I feel about certain

28:43voices as well and I and I just wish

28:45people saw our voices as external beings

28:49and not just a default within us I think

28:52this is so so powerful and a really

28:55interesting thing for people to do and

28:56when you were kind of talking about the

28:57isolation pce I was thinking in my head

28:59this is going to be quite difficult

29:01because you're in in the world we live

29:04in like no one lives in their own lane

29:06without any external stimulation so I

29:09love that there's that second piece of

29:10actually critically analyzing like who

29:12are those five people you could even

29:14take it a step further and be like what

29:15content am I consuming who am I

29:17following online because I feel like

29:19even though even even if you are not

29:21with somebody all the time if that is

29:23someone you're listening to constantly

29:25like what other the things they're

29:26saying are they aligned for you and this

29:28just to me is like screaming like it's

29:31like ultimate alignment because when you

29:33can work out this is like such an

29:35amazing blueprint for anything in life

29:37like to really like get down to why you

29:39have certain beliefs about yourself why

29:41you make certain decisions why you you

29:43know for people who struggle to set

29:44boundaries who feel guilty for doing

29:46things or not doing things who doubt

29:49their own potential like these are all

29:51things I've struggled with and I can

29:52just see the value in when you peel that

29:54away and you're like what is the source

29:56where is the truth in my voice and this

29:58and where have I lay it on top of what

30:00other people think yeah it's such a

30:02powerful way to work out what's going on

30:04I just want to share one experience I

30:06had last year that's actually really

30:07resonating with what you just shared and

30:09I went to um Greece for my sister's

30:12wedding last year in August and I don't

30:14really drink that much

30:16alcohol but in the last few years since

30:18moving here particularly it's been less

30:21and less and less I mean it's a big part

30:22of the culture in Australia it's not

30:24something I do he I enjoy a drink when

30:26I'm out but again not something do

30:28regularly and when I went to Greece last

30:30year uh just before that i' been doing a

30:32lot of work on myself spending a lot

30:34more time by myself I I call myself a

30:36retired extrovert I was that person that

30:38I used to hate being in my own company

30:40I'd always be like I'd have like a 100

30:42coffee acquaintances like I was that

30:44person yeah and since moving here I've

30:46really embraced the value of being alone

30:50hearing myself creating that space so

30:52anyway went to Grace for my sister's

30:53wedding and it was a very social

30:55beautiful fun time catching up with

30:57family obviously none live here so it

30:59was a really nice time and you know

31:01you're in Greece it's summer you're

31:03having spritzes every day that kind of

31:05experience when I got back I had a rude

31:08shock because I realized how detached I

31:11was from myself it was like I couldn't

31:14not this dramatic but like take it

31:16metaphorically like I couldn't feel my

31:18body cues I like my intuition was

31:20nowhere to be found and ever since that

31:23experience every time I have had alcohol

31:26I feel like I'm very hyper aware as to

31:29the thoughts I have when I start to feel

31:31a bit tipsy how that changes how that

31:32voice changes um so you know I just

31:35wanted to bring it up because I feel

31:36like even things you do or places that

31:38you immerse yourself in can impact that

31:41voice if it's not as direct as like

31:42somebody else's voice and alcohol for me

31:45has been something I'm now like super

31:47attuned to as something that disconnects

31:50me from my own voice um so that was just

31:53a really weird experience I had I don't

31:55know if you I don't know if you drink at

31:57all or if you've had a experience I know

31:59when you were speaking about that it

32:01what made me kind of resonate with that

32:03is every time I go home and I'm

32:04surrounded by people that make me

32:07disconnect with myself because you know

32:09living away from home for so long when

32:11you go back to the place that you grew

32:12up a lot of you know a lot of people

32:14here in the UA could probably resonate

32:16is that then you surround yourself with

32:18the people who know the old you yeah and

32:21so you regress almost you you literally

32:24go back to that little girl and I feel

32:26like every single time I go home I go

32:28back to that little girl and I'm again

32:30that insecure timid mute and then I come

32:32back to Dubai and I have to almost

32:34relearn myself yeah it's crazy it's such

32:36a we introdu myself and so that goes for

32:40drinking that goes for people and that

32:42just tells you the people the things

32:44that you should not be consuming that's

32:46across the board and so I think that

32:49those that again that level of awareness

32:51for you to come home and like recognize

32:53that is huge yeah I had a guest on once

32:56and she was talking about how when you

32:58go and visit family and you've been away

33:00for so long and you've created your own

33:01life you there's this like anxiety or

33:04fear or actual reality of regressing

33:07back into she was talking about in the

33:09context of a family Dynamic but you have

33:11a role to play in your family and that

33:13was growing up right you might have been

33:14the person that lashed out you might

33:16have been the person that copped all the

33:18comments from someone you might have

33:19been the adjudicator like everyone has a

33:21role in a family and when you're in that

33:22Dynamic you almost regress back into

33:24that role even if you've done a lot of

33:26work to kind of Evol and grow out of it

33:28so it's just really interesting I think

33:30like some of these things you you know

33:32I'm always going to go home and visit my

33:33family I I'm not at the stage where I've

33:36like cut out alcohol for life but it's

33:38just having this awareness so now when I

33:40am doing these things I'm a lot more

33:41intentional because I know the impact it

33:43has on my voice and my con my you know

33:46my intuition my connection with self so

33:48yeah I just wanted to bring that up cuz

33:50it really like reminded me of what you

33:51were just sharing and I think the

33:53framework you've shared is really really

33:55valuable just like to anything

33:58yeah absolutely I um I asked you the

34:00other day before you came on the podcast

34:03today I asked you if there was anything

34:06you'd been ruminating on thinking about

34:09because I'm the kind of person where you

34:11might hear me talking about a lot of

34:12things on the show people will hear like

34:14similar themes coming up but I'm always

34:16I'm the kind of person that like Ponders

34:17on a lot of things like 24/7 I'm like a

34:20ruminator so I asked you if there was

34:22anything you'd been thinking about or

34:23like just talking about generally and

34:24there were a few things that really

34:26stood out to me from what you shared the

34:27first one is this difference between

34:31being nice and being assertive mhm and

34:34this is something I've struggled with as

34:36someone who I think grew up as a people

34:39pleaser trying not to ruffle any

34:42feathers mhm trying not to come across

34:46as rude right always be the nice person

34:48always be the bigger

34:50person but that's meant I haven't been

34:52assertive in moments where I should have

34:54probably stood up for myself so how have

34:57you been think about this junk show with

34:58being nice and being assertive and is

35:00there like a happy medium yeah yeah I

35:03think you know I had to

35:06completely dissolve the idea that I had

35:10that it's either being nice or being

35:11mean and I thought those are my only two

35:15options and especially as a woman I feel

35:18that for us we do have different

35:20approaches especially now as an

35:22entrepreneur I'm speaking purely as an

35:23entrepreneur that being in in a in the

35:26room and you know having conversations

35:28that you know are up to the progress of

35:32your company and you know you're talking

35:33about bigger things that are bigger than

35:35you that I feel I felt just really

35:39uncomfortable with with that I'm kind of

35:41like you I was like a people pleaser I

35:43was just you know I just want to be nice

35:45that's the only way I know how to

35:47operate is to just be kind uh my dad you

35:51know when we were growing up my mom and

35:52dad always just said like I don't even

35:54care what religion you are just be a

35:55good person just be a good person and

35:58that has how that just how me and my

36:00sister have been raised so then

36:03specifically in the media industry I

36:05really struggled with it really

36:07struggled with it because you know I um

36:10I actually I'll share a story with you I

36:11had a uh hairdresser um at the TV studio

36:15and he's left now and on his last day he

36:17took me to the side and he was like you

36:19know I absolutely love you but I have to

36:21share something with you I have to tell

36:22you something if there's one thing that

36:24that I leave with you this is it I was

36:26like yeah sure'll go for it and goes you

36:28need to stop being so nice you just need

36:31to stop and I was like why do I what I

36:34thought he was joking and he said yeah

36:36you need to be a bit of a around

36:37here to be

36:39respected and I just sat with that for a

36:41while cuz I was like well hang on a

36:44second that's not the way I operate it

36:47would be really alien for me to try to

36:51be that to be

36:53respected because you know there are

36:56there are people in the world in the

36:58industry who do navigate themselves in

37:01that way and I sat with myself and I was

37:03like yes 100% they probably get their

37:06stuff done for them in a better manner

37:09in a quicker more efficient manner

37:11because the people that are doing it for

37:12them operate from fear not from love for

37:15them it's from absolute fear yeah that's

37:18not respect at the end of day it's not

37:19respect and that's not what I want

37:22whatsoever and I um I went to a friend

37:25of mine who's in the industry in the US

37:27and I was like they' he's told me this

37:30what do you think because at the same

37:31time I was experiencing a lot of

37:34disrespect a lot of

37:36undervaluing and I thought in that

37:39moment I was like yeah you know what I'm

37:41going to be this I'm going to be like

37:42that hard nut obviously it was just like

37:45in the spur of the moment and I the

37:46adrenaline rushing it just wasn't true

37:49to me but I think that what I have

37:51figured out and what I'm still learning

37:53to this day is the difference between

37:55being kind in a certain

37:58I think that you can still be kind with

38:00it but still be very clear and concise

38:03about what it is that you want and I

38:05think that I got muddled with that I

38:07thought you know as the talent that you

38:09know oh I don't want anyone to think I'm

38:11difficult I don't want anyone to think

38:13I'm a Diva as women we get labeled so

38:16easily Diva difficult is what we

38:19get if a man does it it's wow like he's

38:23got something about him he's powerful

38:24he's strong whereas we get labeled

38:27completely something different and so

38:29that kind of balance I've literally been

38:32trying to just weave into to my everyday

38:36interactions and that has been stopping

38:38myself I've literally been stopping

38:40myself from just being the yes person

38:42and stripping it back and that's a

38:45that's a you know a quality of a highly

38:47confident person is the ability to

38:49respond and not react so responding

38:52means taking your time it means not

38:54waffling it means understanding and

38:56treating your words like gold that you

38:59don't need to say a lot you just need to

39:03keep it concise keep it tight and get

39:04your message across in the in the right

39:06way and as a woman I just feel like I

39:09have been learning to and I've been

39:12burnt along the way I mean I'm sure you

39:14can share some stories but I have really

39:17leared the hard way of being too nice

39:19cuz people also walk all over you yeah

39:21they take advantage they treat you

39:23terribly cuz they're like oh she'll be

39:24fine oh n won't mind she'll say yes yeah

39:27yeah she never Minds that happens all

39:29the time and so I'm just learning now

39:31that you know what Nim there's a way to

39:32be kind and super nice with it and

39:36respectful but you just need to be very

39:38clear about what you want and then

39:40you'll get the outcome you want as well

39:41yeah I think it comes down to me what

39:43you said at the very beginning which is

39:45being uh assertive or sorry what did you

39:48say you said being kind and being mean

39:50aren't the aren't the two options right

39:52and being assertive doesn't mean you're

39:53being mean it actually for me it comes

39:56down as well to like communicating your

39:58boundaries right and I think if we even

40:00go back to what we were talking about

40:01before if you strip down and come to

40:03Source it's like well why do I feel the

40:05need to put this person's Comfort or

40:08desires above my own because that's what

40:10people pleasing is it's saying yes to

40:11someone else and saying no to yourself

40:13and when I had that realization I was

40:15like this is ridiculous I would never

40:17expect somebody else to say no to

40:19themselves and yes to me just to make me

40:21feel better like it's their life like if

40:24they said no to me it actually doesn't

40:25really change that much about my life

40:27think wej up this story so many times of

40:30like how much impct we're having on

40:31other people when we say no but it's

40:33like honey you're the character of your

40:35own story only like everyone else is

40:37just going to get on with their lives

40:38like you don't have they don't care

40:39about you as much as what you think they

40:41do which is the harsh truth like

40:43something I had to realize as well but

40:47yeah it's uh I've had a lot of scenarios

40:49where in the last few years the more

40:51aligned I'm feeling I'm able

40:54to not defend myself but I think be

40:57assertive in what I want and what I will

40:59not tolerate I think I've had more

41:01experiences in that realm where if I had

41:03responded in the moment if I had not

41:05taken my time it could have been

41:06emotional react like you know reactive

41:09and but taking your time and just

41:10responding in a way that feels aligned

41:12for you I I have a specific scenario in

41:15mind which I won't go in detail about

41:17but it was a bit of like an explosive

41:19interaction with somebody via text and

41:22you know people are saying reply like

41:24this and say these angry things and use

41:26like you know swearing and emotion and

41:29that's just not me I my tolerance for

41:32anger like I just it's not an emotion I

41:34really Express like I've got an Italian

41:37family which may be very surprising that

41:38I don't carry that trait but my sisters

41:41you know they're very loud and they like

41:42yelling and that's just how they express

41:44themselves but that is not true to me

41:47and so when I've been in those moments

41:49where I've had all the emotions sitting

41:51behind it but I don't outwardly respond

41:53that way and it's almost like expected I

41:56just take my time with it that feels

41:58more aligned for me but in the same vein

42:01sometimes that means I just don't say

42:02anything at all and that's me being too

42:05nice because I don't want to you know

42:08Kick the Can further down the road or

42:09continue the explosive kind of

42:11interaction so I think it's an

42:13interesting one to think about like at

42:15what point do you assert yourself in a

42:17way that's aligned for you and I think

42:19it just comes down to delivery yeah

42:20right because yeah absolutely and I

42:23think that it goes back to our previous

42:24point when we talk about finding your

42:25voice it's that am I reacting or

42:28responding it's like having that

42:29check-in with yourself you know and

42:31questioning yourself was that a reaction

42:32or was that an actual response and you

42:34know even in professional settings

42:36sometimes even in Social settings we

42:37feel so pressured to like give an answer

42:40or respond straight away and just take a

42:42Beat Just take a beat take a breath and

42:47then you know what even if you don't

42:48know the answer you know what I'm not

42:50quite clear on that let me get back to

42:52you yeah because your words have value

42:56so don't just give them away willy-nilly

42:58you know think about it because you'll

43:01walk away and thinking why on Earth did

43:02I say that that's not even what I was

43:04thinking or feeling so give yourself

43:06that Grace to be able to just like take

43:08a moment and move with it and then just

43:10like the last thing I would say on that

43:12is just that it goes back to one of our

43:14previous points which is like

43:14relationships is everything and so I

43:17never I never want someone to walk away

43:20from a human to Human Experience and

43:23interaction with me and feel horrible it

43:26is something I am so so conscious of in

43:28every single thing I do whether that is

43:30walking onto the set and talking to the

43:32crew and saying hello to them and

43:33thanking them for their time and energy

43:36all the way through to the director you

43:37know it doesn't matter who it is I'm

43:39treating you exactly the same and I

43:41think that we lose sight of that

43:44sometimes in this like doggy dog world

43:46and you know oh we need to get on top of

43:48each other we need to be each other

43:49comparisons and stuff I'm like when it

43:51comes down to it when I'm 90 years old

43:53what am I going to remember I'm going to

43:55remember the beautiful people and the

43:57Beautiful experiences that I had with

43:59people the memories the good times and

44:01that's what I want to leave with people

44:03I never want someone to walk away from

44:04me thinking oh God she's a bit you know

44:07and I think that that with that being

44:10said you want to leave a good impression

44:13and a good feeling with them but in

44:15protecting yourself at the same time

44:17yeah I think that can be challenging

44:19when you come across personalities or

44:21people that do have that doggy dog world

44:23attitude and they're like coming at you

44:25right and it again like there's this

44:26thing called projection which means it

44:28may not even have anything to do with

44:29you you might just be in the firing line

44:31that day but I think this is when the

44:32power of finding your own voice is so

44:34important because you will come across

44:37different kinds of tornadoes I call them

44:39in life and and really at the end of the

44:41day like you don't need to match their

44:43energy because if you're aligned and

44:44like centered in your own voice in your

44:47own energy you just respond from a way

44:49that's authentic to you but that again

44:51takes time and your voice is an evolving

44:53thing uh people's voices around you are

44:55evolving thing and you grow and change

44:57so just like constantly doing that and

45:00some of the beautiful tips you've shared

45:02so far I think are really useful for

45:03people to just check in with themselves

45:05it's all about that regular check-in

45:07creating space for that regularly like I

45:09do that through spending time on my own

45:11which is something I've learned over the

45:13last few years or meditation or you know

45:15I I I live in my head a lot I like to

45:17journal like kind of notes on my phone

45:19people have different Outlets you do you

45:21kind of have something that yeah I um I

45:24live in my notes app and a lot of photo

45:26albums so you know even when I'm feeling

45:29kind of like low in self-confidence or

45:31I'm kind of having my my doubts of who I

45:33am why am I here what am I doing you

45:35know we all have those 100% And it

45:38happens regularly um I have a photo

45:41album called my wins and I take photos

45:43from tiny little things to oh I actually

45:45made dinner this week all the way

45:47through to hosting one of the biggest

45:49events of the year it ranges but what I

45:52like to do is that is my reminder album

45:55I I just skim through those photos and

45:57I'm like you did that you did that no

46:00one else did it you did it and it's just

46:02a tiny little reminder to me that hang

46:04on a second yes you're thinking way in

46:07the future of like I'm not where I want

46:09to be it's 2024 I should have X amount I

46:11should be doing this I should be hosting

46:13this many things no let's look back and

46:16see how far you've come and these kind

46:18of little just this one technique I

46:19share with my community is creating a my

46:21wins album and that's all it takes if

46:23you're not a v I'm very much a visual

46:25person so looking back at the photos and

46:27videos totally shift my perspective

46:30sometimes it's just on your notes

46:31sometimes it's just listing out my

46:32January wins and then saying this is

46:35what I did this month and I'm really

46:36bloody proud of myself for that so

46:39recognizing that and and and what we

46:41were talking about earlier was kind of

46:42like loud confidence versus soft

46:44confidence you know you're speaking

46:45about your sisters and how they're quite

46:47fiery that's loud confidence but then

46:49there's others of us that would consider

46:51ourselves introverts that have that soft

46:54confidence we don't come across the

46:55loudest in the room you know we're not

46:57the most attention-seeking individuals

46:59but in my opinion I am the most

47:02confidence when I'm in my introvert mode

47:04like I call myself a bit of an extrovert

47:05introvert because I am both and I and

47:08different scenarios and situations bring

47:10different versions of me out but I think

47:13what is a misconception is the loudest

47:15person in the room is the most confident

47:16oh yeah right absolutely not if anything

47:20when now when I'm in a social setting

47:22and someone is super loud I have so much

47:24compassion for them CU I'm like there is

47:26some

47:27there is something a lot deeper there um

47:30that you think looks like oh my god wow

47:33I want to beat them no there's always

47:35something there you know I I kind of

47:36like feel feel a bit for them cuz I'm

47:38like there's a reason they're seeking

47:39the validation the attention and I think

47:42that we need to recognize that as

47:43individuals we don't have to be the

47:44loudest in the room to be the most

47:46confident at all yeah absolutely and

47:49just to kind of circle back to your uh

47:51album of wins I'm glad you brought up

47:53for the less visual people cuz I I think

47:55I'm more like written word style I have

47:58an Excel sheet which is very corporate

48:00of me but it's just because it's kind of

48:03tied in with a couple other things I'm

48:05tracking so to speak but I have like a

48:07wins list and so whenever something

48:09happens big or small doesn't matter I'll

48:11put it on the list and again it's

48:13something I can go back and reflect on

48:14and the best part about doing this

48:16whether you pick a photo album whether

48:18it's in your notes whether it's on an

48:19Excel sheet is once you know you are

48:22filling something out you have something

48:24to add to you start looking for those

48:25things not like oh it's the end of

48:27January what did I achieve I need to

48:29write something out if you know that's

48:31coming up it helps you it kind of like

48:33activates something and you start

48:34looking for things to be grateful for or

48:36proud of yourself for because you've put

48:38it on your radar and then it becomes the

48:40you know it doesn't matter how big

48:41something small is you're like oh this

48:43can go on my list or this can go in my

48:44album and that's a really beautiful

48:46practice to have and all that does is

48:48just build your confidence it builds

48:50your you know just self assurance that

48:52hang on I I I did all this I can move

48:55forward and just sit if you are feeling

48:57low and self-confidence sit with it as

48:59well I never tried to push myself

49:01through it you know if I'm feeling

49:02rubbish which I was this week a lot um I

49:05was just kind of like oh you're this

49:07you're that you know like really talking

49:08myself down and then only when I sat

49:10with that I gave myself myself 24 hours

49:12I was like sit with it feel it all

49:14because then you're going to be feel

49:16great tomorrow and you'll feel grateful

49:17for the rise up and you know I wouldn't

49:20say push yourself through it I would

49:22just say move with it move with all the

49:24emotions and then the next say just get

49:27back on it absolutely if I ever have a

49:28day you know it's generally once a month

49:30I have a big crying day yeah I always

49:32feel so good the next day it's like you

49:34just let something go but just like

49:36emotions are all um they're all

49:39temporary you know nothing lasts forever

49:42just feel it let it do its thing and I

49:44think the more Roar you can get with

49:45yourself the the bigger the bounce back

49:47almost and it's just that's the es and

49:49flows like even when I talk about life

49:51balance it's never trying to achieve

49:53this you know holistic middle level

49:55state where you're never dealing with

49:56things you need the lows because it's a

49:58point of reference for the high moments

50:00and sometimes low moments are points of

50:02change or points of reflection and

50:04everything serves its purpose there's a

50:06beautiful Harmony between these binary

50:08moments in life and you know having um I

50:10worked with a therapist for a few years

50:12she was a high performance coach but we

50:14did a lot of like psychology and she was

50:16amazing one of the things she taught me

50:18was having a cookie jar which is

50:20effectively your photo album of winds or

50:22a guest a few weeks ago called it a book

50:24of winds so have those things where you

50:27track and you look and you have that

50:29activation to be like what am I going to

50:31be proud of myself for today this week

50:33this month yeah but I think this is a

50:35beautiful place to leave our

50:36conversation I've really really enjoyed

50:38our chat we could go on for hours

50:39honestly this will not be the last

50:41podcast so thank you so much for your

50:43time and I'm so looking forward to

50:44seeing what then this year and Beyond

50:47brings for you thank you so much for

50:48having me and I've absolutely loved this

50:50conversation thank you for your time my

50:51pleasure thank you