Police Whistleblower: "I Quit to Share the Truth"

0:01I think London is on a very very bad

0:03path and something has [music] to be

0:04done immediately. The police needs

0:09rebuilding from scratch. I think

0:12impartiality uh has gone um a little bit

0:16downhill. We had one training in [music]

0:19which um one of the questions asked of

0:23us was as follows. how treating everyone

0:27equally would [music] potentially lead

0:30to inequality. You know, this is a

0:32little bit Orwellian.

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1:11>> Dimmitar, welcome to Trigonometry.

1:12>> Thank you. Thank you for having me. I

1:13appreciate that. uh you're a former

1:15police officer with the Metropolitan

1:17Police.

1:17>> Yes.

1:18>> Uh we will talk about your story and

1:20some of your views on policing and other

1:22things that are happening. But the first

1:23thing actually we wanted to talk about

1:25is we both ourselves have experienced

1:27this. You know I've seen people get

1:29mugged repeatedly now in London and I I

1:31don't spend a lot of time in London and

1:33more broadly we hear from our

1:35supporters, friends, people who live in

1:36London that they just increasingly feel

1:39less safe. Do you think there's a reason

1:42for this? Do you think it's true that

1:43people are less safe?

1:44>> Uh yes, I think that's u most definitely

1:48the case and I actually think u people

1:51don't speak enough about how dangerous

1:54London has become because they had

1:55enough uh they have reached uh a level

1:59of um detachment from reality only

2:02because uh they have realized

2:06they are speaking about a topic you know

2:08they're bringing it up nothing really

2:10happens. So a lot of people know how

2:12dangerous London is, but they actually

2:14don't talk about it. So your friends, I

2:16think, are rather in a minority of

2:19people who still talk about that topic.

2:22Um, for example, the new statistics

2:25saying that um the crime in London is

2:28going uh downhill. Uh is going downhill

2:31only because people are not literally

2:34bothered to report it. And I'll give you

2:37an example from my own self. I um I

2:41don't have many many hobbies. One thing

2:43I like a lot it's mountain biking. I'm a

2:45big mountain bike fan. Uh so I bought me

2:48a brand new quite expensive mountain

2:50bike because I'm a big guy and I'm quite

2:52heavy. So I wanted to buy a nice piece

2:54of uh machinery there after a couple of

2:57months got stolen.

3:00I didn't report it myself. Why? Because

3:02I know it's not going to go anywhere. So

3:05yes, to answer your question, they're

3:07absolutely right. Uh it's getting very

3:09very volatile. Uh it's getting very

3:12dangerous. I've seen that even when I

3:15was um back in um back working for the

3:18Met. I remember people will be you know

3:21someone get their phone snatched and

3:23then suddenly you know people getting

3:25pushed away you know pushed on the floor

3:27and then getting their phone snatched

3:29then people branding knives and getting

3:32your phone away. And I I was I was

3:34seeing you know the the the violence was

3:38escalating drastically. That's my

3:41personal view to be honest. Uh also I've

3:44seen that a lot of people started to uh

3:46you know criminals um started to uh you

3:50know attack police officers absolute uh

3:52disrespect towards you know law

3:55enforcement and and anything of uh such

3:57sort. So uh yes uh I think London is on

4:00a very very bad path and something has

4:02to be done immediately.

4:03>> And the question that will be on

4:05everyone's lips is why is this

4:08happening? And I think your personal

4:09story ties very much into this. So why

4:11do you think it's happening?

4:14>> Okay. Uh from a police perspective I

4:17think a lot of officers they call it

4:20disillusionment with the job.

4:23uh they understand in a way that they're

4:27fighting a losing battle.

4:30Uh I think for the first time in the

4:32history of the Met uh voluntary

4:34resignations has surpassed people who

4:38retire.

4:39>> Wow.

4:39>> And that's that's absolutely

4:40extraordinary. And whatever I say here,

4:42everyone can go and look it up. uh I am

4:45here mostly because I want to speak to

4:48the regular member of the public you

4:50know for the taxpayer and ask them to go

4:52and check these things for themselves to

4:55actually realize that the situation is

4:56not it's not good at all so it's this

4:59that disillusionment with the job it's

5:01impossible tasks I used to work in uh

5:05Westminster from being famous charing

5:08cross police station it is not

5:11exaggeration when I say that is non

5:14stop call after call after call after

5:18call. It is impossible for you to keep

5:20on top of that, let alone proper

5:22investigate further on. There are some

5:25wonderful people still in the

5:26Metropolitan Police and I think

5:28Londoners are incredibly happy to have

5:30them. I have been inspired by such

5:32people. Probably that's why I last in

5:34the med so long because I thought to

5:36myself, not everything is lost. But I

5:39think the the amount of work is

5:41impossible. Nobody wants to join the

5:44police because specifically lately

5:46lately the the last few years you know

5:48there was a lot of u bad media coverage

5:51uh some egregious examples you know if

5:54you want to speak about this egregious

5:56examples later on you know we can we can

5:58address that but uh they don't recruit

6:01and they're losing mostly the best

6:03people they have this is a recipe for a

6:07disaster and it's just matter of time

6:09before something happened and they won't

6:11be able to control it and I think deep

6:13down they know that. I really think deep

6:15down, you know, the senior leadership of

6:16the Metropolitan Police realizes that.

6:19>> So tell us your story then. Uh how did

6:22you decide to join the police? Why did

6:24you join the police? And then what

6:25happened from there and maybe just tell

6:27you know a lot of people were saying

6:28you've got an interesting accent. Just

6:30tell us a little bit more about you.

6:32>> Yes, of course. I am uh originally

6:34Bulgarian and um I came to the United

6:38Kingdom because um because of my

6:41grandfather uh to put it that way from a

6:44very very young age. Uh he taught me to

6:46read the classics. So I started with uh

6:48yeah with Russian classics um

6:51unbelievable. You have to read those uh

6:54you know probably and Gorki and uh you

6:57know so much about life

6:58>> if you want to be depressed. [laughter]

7:00>> Yes. Yes. Yes. and informed and then I

7:03moved to uh French classics. Yes, of

7:05course. Wonderful. And then I ended up

7:07with reading British classics and um I

7:11thought to myself one day I want to go

7:12to Great Britain, you know. And uh I

7:14ended up in Liverpool. That was the

7:16first place which I went to live. An

7:18incredibly unique place. Uh not English,

7:21not British Liverpoolian, you know, more

7:23power to the people there. They are

7:25very, very friendly. Some of the best

7:26people I've ever met. However, deep down

7:28I always wanted to come in London

7:30because when I was in Liverpool, I'll

7:32get the bus and I'll come to London. I

7:34just going to walk around and I see this

7:36magnificent city and I'm thinking about

7:39the history that brought this city into

7:42existence. All these lovely, amazing

7:46people who made it happen for me to have

7:49the opportunity to walk as a free man,

7:52as an individual according to what I

7:54think is the best values in the world,

7:56the British values. That's what I think.

7:57I sincerely believe that. And I was

8:00thinking to myself, well, I am young. I

8:04believe I have courtesy and dignity,

8:07transparency and integrity. I'm

8:09relatively fit. What can I do

8:13to help this place, this country, this

8:16city that I fell in love with preserve

8:18itself and not only but make it the best

8:21city in the world. And I think the best

8:25position to do that is actually joining

8:28the police because you can make an

8:30everyday difference in someone else's

8:33life and that person can remember that

8:35and they can make that difference for

8:37someone else and you can spread that

8:39goodness upon hundreds of thousands of

8:42people you know for the next 10 to 15 20

8:45years. So I joined the police. I applied

8:48I got the job. One day uh before I came

8:52to London, I got you know a phone call

8:54uh you know hello Dimitai you know you

8:56on that university degree path uh

8:58welcome to the uh police and you know

9:01you're going to work becoming um the

9:03best constable you can possibly be uh

9:05while attain attaining to this um

9:08university degree and uh you know even

9:10further fulfill uh your professional uh

9:13uh um you know goals and I'm thinking to

9:16myself that sounds very nice in my head

9:19I'm thinking This will be probably

9:21something very well related to the

9:24legislations

9:26which a constable most definitely need

9:29to know inside out. That's absolutely

9:31paramount. So I thought to myself, okay,

9:33you know, that's great. I'm happy. I

9:35come to London. I find myself a place.

9:37It was a little bit of a covid. We had

9:38few lectures online and then eventually

9:41we started going to university. And this

9:44is the first time when I was starting to

9:48think this is not very well conducted.

9:51Brand new building in um in the city of

9:55London, East India. Um I can name it. Uh

9:58I was assigned to a university called

10:00Anglia Ruskin University.

10:03So we go there and uh sometimes in the

10:06beginning I know it's the beginning

10:07we're the first cause you know they used

10:09to call us also the guinea pigs and

10:11please bear that in mind because it will

10:13become very relevant later on so we go

10:16there in the beginning sometimes the

10:18internet wasn't working very well you

10:20know it's a brand new building that's

10:21absolutely fine then uh guys you are in

10:24room 10 oh no no no guys I'm very very

10:26sorry you're in room 12 oh my apologies

10:29you're in room 15 you know and And I'm

10:32thinking to myself, um, this is all paid

10:36with taxpayers money. Millions upon

10:38millions of pound of pounds are

10:40implemented into that program. And I

10:42understand we are the first class. uh

10:45but I think there must be some

10:48expectations

10:49from an establishment which is paid by

10:52taxpayers money to be adequately

10:55prepared to make the program you know uh

10:58uh relative and you know uh smooth as

11:01smooth as possible. Anyway, you know

11:04those things they were a little bit um

11:06strange but then u we started having

11:10some lectures and uh um the materials

11:14given to us uh I think a lot of it has

11:18no relevance with the training of a

11:21frontline police constable specifically

11:24in the beginning of their career. For

11:27example, um they used to teach us

11:29theories such as broken window theory.

11:33Well, that that that's okay. Maybe for

11:34someone if if someone wants to expand in

11:37the professional conduct in the future

11:39to come as a criminologist, maybe they

11:41can look upon that in the fullness of

11:44time. But not at the moment. You need to

11:47know how legislations

11:49are presented

11:52and uh how legislations are presented in

11:55circumstances in which a constable may

11:58happen to be part of you know was that a

12:01burglary was that theft? Was that

12:03robbery? Do you understand what to do?

12:05You know we should be more police

12:07oriented specifically about the job not

12:09about theories. Then uh we had uh one

12:15training in which um one of the

12:18questions asked of us was as follows.

12:22How treating everyone equally would

12:25potentially lead to inequality.

12:28You know this is a little bit Orwellian.

12:31Yes. Yes. This is a little bit

12:32Orwellian. I'm looking at that and I'm

12:34thinking

12:36officers, police officers in training

12:39uh taught that question in a very very

12:42interesting uh very interesting wording

12:44you know and it seems to me it goes

12:46against uh the very core principles of

12:49uh impartiality you know it makes you

12:51think oh my god what do you mean I'm

12:54treating everyone equally and might lead

12:55to inequality it's very very very

12:57confusing very very confusing and I

13:00think this is extraordinary bad thing to

13:02introduce officers specifically some of

13:04my uh colleagues who are very very young

13:06people you know in their 20s and I'm

13:08thinking they're getting confused here

13:10and uh I thought to myself this is this

13:12is crazy I don't want to be part of that

13:14you know this is waste of taxpayers

13:16money I want to be a police officer

13:18people are getting robbed people getting

13:20stopped selling drugs fights all over

13:23the place let me be let me get off this

13:25course and let me specialize you know

13:27let me just be the officer I wanted to

13:29be to protect this city and I truly mean

13:32that from the heart. Anyway, so I was

13:35very very lucky because my class my

13:38class was actually very outspoken about

13:40that on few occasions. We actually made

13:43it very very clear the whole class that

13:45we want to be taken of this course.

13:48Guess what we were told on many many

13:51many occasions.

13:53Guys,

13:55you either do this or you're going to

13:57lose your job.

13:59I want everyone that will be watching

14:02this show just to think for a second if

14:06they think it's appropriate to tell a

14:08police officer in training that if you

14:11do this, if you don't do this, I'm

14:13sorry, you're going to lose your job.

14:15That's coercion to the best, I think, to

14:18the max. This is this is um really,

14:21really, really, really bad. And when

14:23they said that quite a few times, I was

14:25looking around me and I could see the

14:28faces of my colleagues. They were so

14:31gloomy. You know, they had nothing to

14:33say about that.

14:34>> And just to interject one thing, I think

14:37it's important to say that

14:40>> one of the problems is that having a

14:42university degree was made a requirement

14:45for police officers.

14:46>> Absolutely. And this is why you're all

14:47sitting doing this course cuz I imagine

14:50most of you would rather just be out

14:51there being given practical skills to do

14:54with how to police

14:55>> in a heartbeat.

14:55>> Right.

14:56>> In a heartbeat. Yes.

14:57>> Yeah.

14:57>> Uh and they used to say that quite a few

15:00times. You know, guys, if you don't do

15:02this, you're going to lose your job.

15:04>> However, few days after that, they will

15:07come and they will say, you know

15:09something, don't worry guys, you're the

15:10first class. You're going to pass. And

15:12I'm sitting there I'm thinking this is

15:14this is extraordinary thing to say. Um I

15:17really was uh that was bewildering. Oh

15:20don't worry guys you know um you know

15:21you're the first class you know yeah we

15:24have made some mistakes but you are the

15:25guinea pigs like I've mentioned in the

15:27beginning of our conversation. And I'm

15:30thinking to myself this is this is

15:32extraordinary conduct. You know if if

15:35this uh is a serious uh university uh

15:38you know uh I don't think they will be

15:40acting like that. you know there will be

15:41a dialogue there will be a discourse a

15:43proper discourse of why we actually

15:46don't want to be on that cause not be

15:48told where we have to do it or you're

15:50losing your job but um that was not that

15:54was not the most extraordinary thing uh

15:56we have been told on few occasions and

16:00uh I'm not exaggerating and if uh some

16:02of my colleagues are watching that I beg

16:04of them to come forward and say the same

16:06thing and I'm already I already spoken

16:08to one of them and he said yes Dei I

16:11clearly clearly remember that on one

16:13occasion at least the lecturer who was

16:17supposed to deliver a material to us

16:19read that material to us said

16:23she looked at the you know the

16:24PowerPoint and she said and I quote oh

16:27my god who wrote this please guys don't

16:31shoot the messenger I'm only here to

16:33read you that and I'm looking around me

16:36I'm thinking am I drinking crazy pills

16:40a lecturer openly mocking the very same

16:43material they're going to deliver to us.

16:47I went back to the station, you know,

16:50after my university days and I said to

16:52my supervisor and to my inspector that I

16:55want to be taking off the course as soon

16:57as possible and I stopped submitting any

17:01work required, you know, of me uh and

17:04everything I have have submitted before

17:06that was um halfway uh through because I

17:09I was really really scared that I'm

17:11really going to lose my job. But

17:13>> I reached a breaking point. I'm thinking

17:15I cannot morally

17:18continue like that. It may cost me my

17:21job but I live my life on a very very

17:23simple uh uh mode. So if it's not right,

17:27don't do it. If it's not true, don't say

17:30it. I couldn't. I really really

17:32couldn't. So I stopped submitting um

17:35anything. I haven't submitted anything

17:37for probably 12 months. I haven't

17:39submitted ditation, you know, final

17:40work, nothing at all. uh and um I spoke

17:45to uh chief inspector in learning and

17:48development and they told me you need to

17:50write us a letter and uh we're going to

17:53assess the letter and if you meet the

17:56exceptional circumstances crit criteria

17:59you may be taking off the course. So I

18:02write everything I told you in the

18:03letter and I specifically said to them I

18:06truly think it is indeed unexceptional

18:10circumstances for someone to mock the

18:12very same material they're going to read

18:15as teachers that that's that's

18:16extraordinary.

18:18uh my application um wasn't uh

18:22adequately uh under the umbrella of um

18:27exceptional circumstances and uh I was

18:29told that uh I have to continue with

18:31that course. Then uh in a little bit

18:34more strong worded email from my uh site

18:38I said I am not doing this and that's

18:41that you know and then after

18:44[clears throat] I said that I sent that

18:46email I received an email from another

18:48external company which was given the

18:52contract initially and that external

18:54company has given the four universities

18:57the ability to teach new offices. Uh and

19:01uh that email sets me uh literally

19:04Dimitar you either do this or you need

19:08to resign and then it follows of course

19:11I hope it's not data and you know we

19:13want to help you out and that was a

19:16breaking point that was a breaking point

19:17because few days before that I did a

19:20attachment with um ARVS which means uh

19:24armed response vehicles and uh uh I was

19:28so happy to be surrounded by such

19:30professional police officers. And uh I

19:33did uh 10 hours with them and in the end

19:35of uh the shift they told me okay dear

19:38uh you can send us an application and we

19:41will see what we can do for you and I

19:44know what that means you know I'll send

19:46an application probably I'll be given a

19:48chance to prove myself and eventually

19:50join them if I pass all the assessments

19:52required. So, I was very very happy. I

19:55went back to, you know, to my inspector,

19:57to my sergeant, and they was like,

19:58"Deie, we're going to sign you off

20:00immediately." Uh, you know, and you can

20:02go specialize everywhere you want, but

20:05we can't because you don't have the

20:07degree. And this is when I sent the

20:09email, and the email was comes back, you

20:11either do this or you need to resign.

20:13And that was a breaking point. I

20:15resigned. I resigned uh two two days

20:18after that. And uh my last day was on

20:21the 31st of um uh March 2024. And uh it

20:26was um a devastating moment for me and

20:29for my partner. I'm not with my partner

20:32anymore

20:34because I became very very detached from

20:37everyone, from her. Um I just couldn't

20:40understand why this is happening.

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22:25I did had two exit interviews which is

22:28quite um extraordinary on its own. on my

22:32um second exit interviews. Uh on my on

22:36my second exit interview, um the chief

22:39inspector that wanted to help me out had

22:42a conversation with the chief inspector

22:44in learning and development. And uh they

22:46were speaking for over 45 minutes, but I

22:48very vividly remember she's saying to

22:51her, I'm sorry, but um why are we losing

22:54this officer again? He's public order uh

22:57trained level two. He stays a train. He

23:00speaks multiple languages. Um, his

23:03inspector is here, his sergeant is here.

23:05They're very very supportive of him. Uh,

23:08his team is very very supportive of him.

23:11Why are we losing him? I vividly

23:13remember that. And I don't know what the

23:16structure of the Met is what type of a

23:19contract precisely they have signed with

23:22this university awarding degree. I

23:24really really don't know. But they

23:25couldn't give me a decisive answer. They

23:27wanted me to wait and I couldn't,

23:29gentlemen. I couldn't. I was I was

23:31broken. I love every moment policing

23:35London and I think I have benefited

23:37quite a few people to say the least. And

23:40I think my colleagues can um uh quite a

23:42few of them can say that I was a

23:44substantive and well uh overall in

23:48general compar uh uh complete officer to

23:51begin with. I have done so many things

23:54to help my colleagues. So many cell

23:56exits with other teams which I don't

23:58know anything about. Um pulled people

24:01from the bridge you know going into the

24:03battle if I may put it that way. I did

24:06it so selflessly. I was really prepared

24:09if the circumstances are such I'm not

24:13exaggerating to lose my life if I have

24:15to but to preserve human dignity and

24:19goodness. And I sincerely believe that.

24:21And probably that's why the impact was

24:23so heavy on me and resulted in uh me

24:26eventually breaking up with my

24:27girlfriend. I was I was in a very very

24:29dark place. I just couldn't um I just

24:32couldn't take it anymore. At what point

24:34I thought, you know, I I I lost my

24:36meaning of life, you know. I was I was

24:38good at it at this, you know. I just I

24:41just wanted to to make a difference and

24:43they have taken that away from me. And

24:46uh I'm I'm not seeking vengeance. I just

24:49hope people can hear my story so that

24:51will never never happen again. To other

24:55uh complete decent officers who wants to

24:58make a difference because we need them

25:00now more than ever. Uh to to to be

25:02honest, more than ever.

25:05Yeah. Yeah. That that that that uh it's

25:07a little bit of a it's a little bit of a

25:09sad story, but let me continue. I'm

25:11sorry. I just had a little bit of a

25:12flashback.

25:143 months after I resigned, it was a

25:17beautiful summer day. I think it was

25:19July,

25:20you know, I'm at home doing nothing. I

25:23open my laptop and I go to my private

25:25email and I'm seeing there uh an email

25:30from Anglia Ruskin. Congratulations,

25:32Dimitar. We have awarded you a diplomat

25:35policing. And um I'm thinking to myself,

25:38um of course this is a mistake. They

25:40have they have made so many mistakes.

25:42you know, probably there was there's

25:45some type of an explanation. You know,

25:47that's not true. You know, maybe maybe

25:49they they made a mistake like I said.

25:51Anyway, I was free. Let me go into my

25:54Anglia Ruskin profile. I go into my

25:57Anglia Ruskin profile. Lo and behold, I

26:00have been awarded a bartelo in policing

26:04with no honors.

26:06with no honor, which is an insult to

26:08injury, you know, that that that is so

26:11insulting to my intelligence that uh I

26:14was so bewildered at that moment and

26:17agree and angry. I'm thinking to myself,

26:20I left because of this insanity and

26:23eventually you worded that to me without

26:26me submitting anything for over a year.

26:29It was quite quite quite quite

26:30interesting. I'm thinking to myself, let

26:32me actually download that diploma

26:33because that's that is extraordinary.

26:36few months later because I still talk to

26:38quite a few people um in the Met and in

26:42the Met there's a lot of gossip but the

26:44gossip in Met can be very very precise

26:47because it's a very very close community

26:49so the gossip most of the time is

26:51actually quite accurate and I heard that

26:54someone was awarded a degree not only

26:57without submitting theation but without

27:00submitting level two in maths

27:03and I'm thinking uh it's possible man

27:05it's possible If they're giving me a

27:06degree without me submitting anything,

27:08maybe they did that to someone else. Let

27:10me double check. Let me just check. And

27:12I send a freedom of information request

27:14which I have is on my emails. Uh and the

27:17freedom of information request goes as

27:20follows. I think from memory. Has anyone

27:23been awarded a degree in uh policing

27:26without a submitting dissertation or b

27:29submitting dissertation or level two

27:32achieving level two in English or maths?

27:34the freedom of information request comes

27:36back and says none.

27:40>> Yes. And I think I think

27:44is either the freedom of information

27:46request might not be truly uh accurate

27:51or the university needs to explain how

27:55this is actually possible to happen and

27:57I wanted to find out. I went back to the

28:00very building which we used to um you

28:04know have our lectures uh in East India.

28:06I go there they're not there anymore.

28:10I'm thinking uh oh they're not here

28:12anymore. Well they lost the contract

28:13with with the Metropolitan Police. I

28:15actually think by now uh the university

28:18degree has been scrapped uh for I think

28:21few years because the backlash was uh

28:24nationally quite uh quite loud. you know

28:26people say this is this is this is not

28:28this is not working well people resign

28:30because of it you know the amount of

28:32work uh uh officers uh experiencing

28:35policing London and on top of that they

28:37need to do uh quite frankly in my

28:40opinion um Alice in Wonderland the grits

28:43quite uh quite striking and I go there

28:46and said okay but do you know where they

28:48have moved to uh where we don't know and

28:52uh I I I can't find anyone from Anglia

28:54Ruskin you know I wanted to go go there

28:56with my diploma, tell them my

28:57circumstances and just ask them how this

28:59is possible. You know, tell me how how

29:01was awarded that without me submitting

29:03anything to begin with. It seems to me

29:06the university never has taken into

29:08account that there will be someone

29:12like me that eventually will speak about

29:15that. I think um they thought maybe to

29:19some extent they can intimidate us but

29:22that is not going to happen because

29:23there bigger things about me and them

29:27and the bigger things are the health and

29:30wellbeing of Londoners and how the

29:33police can preserve that. Not only

29:35preserve that but to make sure the many

29:38many problems of London which already

29:40exist can be resolved. This is bigger

29:42than me. This is bigger than them. We

29:44need to find out exactly what's going on

29:46because I think it's absolutely

29:47outrageous.

29:48>> And I think the worrying thing, look,

29:50there's many worrying things about your

29:52story, but the thing that resonates with

29:54me is how are we meant to have good

29:56police officers when we're not doing the

29:59training programs that will prepare them

30:01adequately for the job?

30:03>> The frat, you have an answer for that

30:05and uh I have to be very very honest.

30:08I'm a big believer in uh individual

30:11responsibility.

30:13There were other officers like myself

30:16that could say no, we are not doing

30:18this. This is insanity.

30:21However, for one reason or another, and

30:23I understand I understand the price to

30:26pay it's truly truly devastating. Like

30:29in my case,

30:31maybe some of them thought I'm just

30:33going to get along with it and maybe in

30:35future things will get better.

30:38I don't think in future things will get

30:40better. You are holding the office of

30:44constable before you being a student or

30:47anything else. It's absolutely necessary

30:50for you to have that honesty

30:54>> before anything else. I don't want to do

30:56this. Don't only say it to to your to

30:59the people in university or to your

31:01sergeant. Speak to your colleagues.

31:04Unite with your colleagues. Say it

31:06clearly. I am not doing this. What are

31:09you going to do? This is crazy. We don't

31:11want to do universities degrees. I want

31:14to be the best police officer I can. It

31:17is up to them. They could stand up and

31:19say, "No, we're not doing this." A lot

31:22of them didn't for one reason or

31:24another. I understand some people have

31:25families. Some people need that income

31:28but essentially to some extent they are

31:33a little bit part of why this is

31:35perpetuated upon them because they

31:37haven't done enough. Maybe some of my

31:39colleagues won't like that but I think

31:41that's the case. You need to stand your

31:43ground. It was crazy. It was insane. You

31:46can't continue like that. You know the

31:48struggle you have been through to get an

31:51Alice in Wonderland degree again. I mean

31:53why why you need to go through that

31:55struggle taking so much away from your

31:57time you know ears that will never come

31:59back and I think it's up to them they

32:02need to make a stand uh in in in in in

32:04everyday policing as well um I am a big

32:07believer that if you're frontline police

32:09officer you should look after yourself

32:11instead of finishing the shift and

32:13saying oh you know guys let's go to the

32:15p that's absolutely fine you socialize

32:16but sometimes you need to say you know

32:18guys let's go to the gym uh you can't

32:22have um five or six officers jumping on

32:25a on a on just a regular male who is a

32:29little bit more volatile in order for

32:31you to detain him. You know, you need

32:33two, three officers maximum to be able

32:35to do that. We already struggle with

32:37numbers. We need to expand on standards.

32:43But standards, no matter what you give

32:45me, Francis, you can give me the best

32:47training in the world. If I don't want

32:49to do it myself, it will go nowhere. It

32:51starts with an individual

32:53>> but that also comes to recruitment

32:55Dimitar because I mean look this is just

32:58when I walk around London but I've

33:00notice the standard of police officers

33:03the way they conduct themselves the way

33:05they dress

33:07and and also the the shape that they're

33:09in. I mean they don't look like they'd

33:12be able to arrest anybody to be brutally

33:14honest. And they don't necessarily look

33:17very professional. Of course not all

33:18police officers. There are a lot of

33:20police officers that do, but even in the

33:2240 or so years I've lived in this city,

33:24I've seen a marketked decline in

33:26standards.

33:28>> I I agree with you. Yes. Um, you know,

33:31I'm not a religious person. Uh, but

33:33there are few things in the Bible which

33:34are actually quite correct. You know,

33:36open rebuke is better than secret love.

33:39I wholeheartedly agree with you. Um

33:41again I don't think um some of uh my

33:46ex-colagues understand the incredibly

33:50important nature

33:52of the objective reality physical

33:54reality of frontline policing. I'm here

33:58to speak only about frontline policing.

34:01You have to be most definitely in my

34:04opinion above average when it comes to

34:07uh an average fitness test. what an

34:10average male can do or a female. Some of

34:14uh one of the fittest police officer

34:16I've ever worked with was a female. She

34:18was always downstairs with uh with me in

34:20the gym. She was incredible. But

34:24I don't know what is stopping them. I

34:28think I have a theory what is stopping

34:30them. A very uh good friend of mine who

34:34is still in the police. He's there I

34:36mean a few decades now told me that a

34:39lot of people come and when they see the

34:41the horrible circumstances of what

34:43policing means they become very very

34:45cynical not only in their approach uh in

34:49work but uh you know in their uh

34:52personal lives and I think he's actually

34:54correct it takes a lot of effort uh to

34:58go to the gym. It takes a lot of effort

35:00to be immaculate every single day. And

35:03in my opinion, being a police officer

35:04holding that uh incredibly important

35:07role in London. It is a demanding

35:10position. And if you're not ready to

35:13reach that level, perhaps perhaps you

35:17can go home, you can speak to someone in

35:21work and say to them, you know, buddy, I

35:24I don't think I'm I'm the best version

35:25of myself. Uh uh let let me get let me

35:28get some help. what can I do? You know,

35:30uh I'm always giving people the benefit

35:32of the doubt. I'll never say, you know,

35:33that job is not for you. No, no, no,

35:35never. I want to help you out, buddy.

35:37But you need to do it on your own. And

35:40like you said, yes. Um I quite often go

35:43to uh uh central London and uh uh you

35:47know I walk pass by people and um when

35:50there's a police guy and suddenly few

35:52officers looking like you just described

35:54them come out I can just hear the public

35:57oh my god look at them. Uh I mean it's

36:00uh it's actually quite dangerous because

36:02uh uh one gentleman uh was uh walking

36:05and he saw these officers having a

36:07coffee and he said they look like a

36:09caricature in uniforms

36:12and it's not only you. It's it's it's

36:14it's

36:16quite quite of a quite of a situation

36:18and that situation can only be addressed

36:20within the individuals to begin with.

36:23However, the institution is quite

36:25difficult to um uh to uh inspire them to

36:30be that that that that best version of

36:32themselves.

36:33>> But surely Dimitar this comes from the

36:35top. It's the people at the top who set

36:37the standards of any organization.

36:39Because if you don't set the standards

36:41at the top, then look, there's some

36:43people like yourself who are

36:44self-motivated,

36:46who really passionate, but there are

36:48other people who are just there because

36:50it's a job. And if you let standards

36:53slip, then it's going to affect

36:55everything and everyone. To me, this is

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38:24To me, this is a crisis of leadership,

38:27isn't it?

38:29>> It is definitely a crisis of leadership.

38:32And um let's speak about leadership

38:35indeed. Um I think um I don't want to

38:39offend anyone in the senior leadership

38:42of the Metropolitan Police. Uh there's

38:44some lovely lovely extraordinary great

38:48people there. But in general, I think uh

38:51they have reached a level of um

38:56astonishingly

38:58being capable of selfdeception.

39:02And I call that the magic Excel

39:04document.

39:06We need 10 people to go to that place

39:10and we need 20 people to go to uh you

39:13know that protest you know let's see how

39:15we can manage the numbers it's all about

39:17numbers but the quality of officers it's

39:22through the window it's all about

39:24numbers and I always thought to myself

39:26these people in these positions of so

39:28much power and decision-m they should

39:31know better than anyone else uh it's not

39:33only about numbers

39:35uh a football team has 11 players. If

39:38you take Ronaldo and put me in, it still

39:41be 11 players, but the performance will

39:44deter it massively. I don't think to

39:45myself, can they not see the bigger

39:48picture? And unfortunately, I think

39:53which is very very sinister. I think

39:56maybe some of them do, but the next

39:59promotion,

40:01the next promotion is very well paid.

40:03you have a lot of power if you are chief

40:06inspector and above working for the

40:08Metropolitan Police. It's a it it is um

40:10it is a nice place to be. I think some

40:13of them understand that. Uh and I would

40:15like to say that quite a few of them

40:17understand that quite well. But why

40:19nothing is done? I think it's because

40:22the politics are so um complex on that

40:26level.

40:28I think um

40:32the police needs

40:36rebuilding from scratch. Not today,

40:40tomorrow before it's too late. It has to

40:43be solely based on the pelium principles

40:47and that's that. That's that nothing

40:49else nothing more

40:51>> which are what

40:52>> uh well uh for example um you know treat

40:57uh everyone equally I mean treat

40:59everyone equally uh you know honesty uh

41:02integrity uh um the the rule of law um

41:07uh be uh impartial that's very very

41:10important I think impartiality uh has

41:13gone um a little bit downhill uh because

41:17officers uh like this document I saw um

41:20in um

41:23uh this document I I told you I saw in

41:25one of the trainings you know saying

41:27that treating uh everyone equally can

41:29lead to um unequal outcome

41:32>> in inequal outcome yes impartiality is

41:34uh very very very important very

41:37important just uh work according to the

41:40law bring courtesy back uh bring

41:45discretion back I think officers have

41:47been taking a a lot of discretion away

41:49from them.

41:50>> Uh and uh that that's a that's a big

41:52problem. You know, I think uh you should

41:54exercise more discretion of course based

41:56on uh your impartial approach. Uh if

41:59someone steals a sandwich because

42:02someone has nothing to eat, of course uh

42:05you're going to give them uh that

42:06discretion uh and you're going to treat

42:08them differently. If someone just steals

42:10a sandwich because they can't be

42:12bothered, you know, to pay. In that

42:14sense, I understand. Yes. uh maybe your

42:17treatment uh according to the particular

42:21circumstances might be uh different but

42:23uh discretion has gone you know

42:26discretion is is over and I have been

42:28through a situations like that which

42:30discretion uh uh I thought to myself

42:32could be implemented but it wasn't and I

42:35don't know why

42:35>> and uh this thing about uh equal

42:38treatment leads to unequal outcomes uh

42:40you're hinting at something that's been

42:42a huge discussion in Britain which is

42:46what people talk about as two-tier

42:47policing.

42:48>> Yes.

42:49>> Uh and what they're talking about is a

42:51mixture of things. It's not just about,

42:53you know, racial disparities and things

42:56like that, but it's, you know, the way

42:58that protesters against lockdown were

43:00treated versus BLM protesters and and

43:03other things of that nature where the

43:04public see that similar behavior results

43:08in very different treatment. And then we

43:11hear from people like you about

43:12guidance. We hear from other people

43:14about guidance around the treatment of

43:16different racial groups. We see cases

43:20like the Henry Novak case, for example,

43:22where police officers arrive at a scene

43:24immediately are effectively misled by

43:26the races of the people involved as to

43:28who's the perpetrator, who's the victim,

43:31and overall a lot of people now have

43:34this picture that the police have been

43:37trained effectively at this point not to

43:39treat people equally. Is this true? Is

43:41this an exaggeration? What are your

43:43thoughts on it?

43:45>> Uh

43:46when um in one of the lectures in

43:50university um I think it was just a

43:54little bit after uh uh BLM around that

43:57time 2022 I think 2020 but I'm not very

44:00very sure. I don't really remember uh

44:04the very same lecture that said uh you

44:06know guys don't shoot the messenger ask

44:09a question from all of us um guys what

44:12do you think about black lives matter

44:15and a very lovely very good-hearted girl

44:18in our class just said well uh all lives

44:20matter and [laughter]

44:24that I swear to God Constantine that's

44:26exactly what you said

44:28can you say that and I'm thinking can

44:30you not see the goodness in this uh in

44:33this uh you know uh young uh woman's

44:36voice. Uh it was it was crazy. It it was

44:38quite of a thing. Woo. Can you say that?

44:41Uh and that woo can you say that makes

44:46you think am I right to say that? That

44:50all lives matter which is a perfectly

44:52reasonable thing to say.

44:54>> Am I right? Am I I maybe maybe I'm

44:56wrong. Maybe I need to find within

44:58myself where maybe I have some type of a

45:01bias, maybe something that I don't

45:02understand. It makes young officers

45:06question themselves. You know, when a

45:09perfectly reasonable statement like all

45:10lives matter, it's absolutely fine. Of

45:13course, black lives matter, all lives

45:15matter, any lives matter. Um that woo

45:18was was quite of a quite of a thing to

45:20say. And um

45:22>> were you ever asked about you know what

45:24are your internal biases and things like

45:26this?

45:27>> Thank you. Uh I am going to say

45:30something now. They were very very

45:31clever with this. They gave us a white

45:34piece of paper. Okay. And they say guys

45:37this is anonymous. You don't have to

45:39write your name. Just write down if you

45:42think you ever had some privileges.

45:45And uh I uh took that piece of paper and

45:48I wrote I'm Bulgarian. My ancestors were

45:52four and a half century under the

45:54Ottoman Empire. Some of the savageries

45:57have been well documented from

45:58journalists from France to Russia and

46:02the United States. I have more

46:04privileges and I gave it to them. I

46:06don't know what happened with that piece

46:08of paper, but it was the most bizarre

46:10thing that I've ever encountered in my

46:13life.

46:13>> What do you think was the point of that

46:14exercise? Did you get a sense of what

46:16they're trying to achieve by the

46:18conversation about BLM, by the

46:20conversation about privilege? What what

46:22is it that they wanted you to learn?

46:24I think this is this is my opinion. I

46:26might be wrong, but I think giving

46:28someone um this piece of paper and

46:30asking that that question is solely

46:34reading the room to what extent some of

46:37the people here might think they might

46:40have some privileges. And if someone has

46:42put a privilege or something like that,

46:45we need to address it. We need to train

46:47them, you know. Uh

46:50maybe we need to train people that

46:52haven't put that they have any

46:53privileges. You know, maybe they cannot

46:55see it that you have a privilege and you

46:57can't recognize it. You know, that's

46:59what I think. I think it's way more

47:01sinister than that. Uh without speaking

47:04in depth of what exactly you mean

47:07[snorts] someone has a privilege. I mean

47:10uh this is a conversation that we can

47:12have here for hours on end. It's uh

47:15quite extraordinary to introduce that

47:17out of the blue on a white piece of

47:18paper and just give it to uh frontline

47:20police officers who need to go back to

47:22the street and you know tackle criminals

47:24uh you know and wrestle with them on the

47:26floor. What privileges are you talking

47:29about? Jesus Christ.

47:30>> Yeah.

47:31>> It's it's so extraordinary. I I I guess

47:34what I'm getting at trying to

47:36understand, not getting at, I'm trying

47:37to understand is what the truth is about

47:41the idea that police officers have been

47:44trained now for some years to treat

47:47different people differently. Is this

47:49something that you see or saw on whether

47:52on the front line or in your training or

47:53anything? And I'm open to the

47:55possibility that maybe it's exaggerated

47:56or maybe it's not true, but I'm I'm

47:58really trying to understand what your

47:59perspective is on it. Uh well this

48:02document was um obviously introduced to

48:05some police forces. Um the question

48:08which was introduced to us that's

48:09definitely was uh uh in regards to the

48:11metropolitan police. I think um when you

48:15introduce

48:18fundamentally

48:20such incredibly difficult topics without

48:24very much explaining them. you're

48:27putting a seed of

48:31questioning

48:33uh the person start questioning

48:35themselves do everything I know and do

48:40actually might be biased it's confusing

48:43them if you suspect let's say for the

48:46sake of argument that someone may be

48:48biased or have some um inclination

48:52towards treating different people

48:54differently maybe people that look like

48:56him Just for the sake of argument, you

48:59may have a training uh I mean the

49:03training is already there. The the the

49:05police fundamentals I I I like I said

49:07they're already there. Transparency,

49:09honesty, in honesty, you know,

49:12impartiality. You don't need to make

49:14these young people questioning

49:17themselves all the time because

49:18eventually they will be confused and

49:21eventually when you're confused

49:23sometimes in a situation which requires

49:26your immediate professional attention as

49:29in the case of may he rest in peace this

49:32young man Henry Novak may lead to um

49:36tragic outcomes

49:38and um that thing with I don't think so

49:41mate

49:43makes my blood boil. To begin with,

49:46nobody should ever speak to a member of

49:48the public regardless of the

49:49circumstances. Even if you're a suspect,

49:51even if I know you're the bad guy, hey

49:54mate, don't approach people like that.

49:57Eventually, maybe you get to know

49:58someone and speaking to them for 5 10

50:00minutes. Maybe then you can, you know,

50:02slide it in. Hey, thank you, mate. Thank

50:04you very much. But in the beginning, as

50:07I said, you represent the office of a

50:09constable. You need to be immaculate in

50:11my opinion of speaking to these people.

50:13I always approach even the suspects.

50:15Even the suspects, you know, hey,

50:19tomorrow is a better day. I'm not here

50:21only because of them, of the person that

50:23call me. I'm here because of you as

50:25well. Let me see how can I help you out.

50:27I never approach anyone. Hey mate,

50:30listen to me mate. That's extraordinary.

50:32I've seen that. It only escalate things.

50:35And um in the case of Henry Novak,

50:39why they haven't

50:42give why they didn't attend to him

50:45medically, it's it's uh it's seriously

50:47beyond me. Uh fundamentally, the most

50:51important thing of policing is preserve

50:56life.

50:57Even if I know this guy's a vict, you

51:00know, this guy, he he is the

51:01perpetrator, you know, I just I just saw

51:03him shooting that fell over there, but

51:05that fell is being attended already. And

51:08in the process of me detaining him, I

51:10knock him out so badly that he doesn't

51:12want to come back to, you know, to to to

51:14life, you need to immediately attend to

51:17him no matter what he have done. If if

51:20there's so if there's deranged man on

51:21the street stabbing people and in the

51:24process of you detaining him you shot

51:25him in the leg or you shot him in the

51:27chest, you know, immediately you need to

51:29attend to them as well. You need to

51:31preserve their life by all means

51:33necessary. They should have stripped him

51:35and I'm sorry to say naked immediately

51:37and see if he's bleeding, not just roll

51:40him over and put in a handcuffs. This is

51:42uh you know I can't watch this video. I

51:44watch it a few times and I can't anymore

51:45because it makes me uh truly truly truly

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53:25>> And I think a large part of the problem,

53:27Dimitar, is

53:28>> if you you wanted to be a firearms

53:30officer.

53:30>> Yes, indeed. And I think a lot of people

53:33don't want to be firearms officers

53:34anymore because they go, "Well, if I do

53:37my duty and I shoot someone who is

53:41posing either a threat to me or a threat

53:43to the public or both, I'm the one who's

53:45going to get arrested here."

53:47>> Uh, yes, Francis. Absolutely.

53:52I don't think like that. I don't care.

53:56And I don't care in a way of I

53:59understand that things bigger than me. I

54:02truly believe that justice for all it's

54:05bigger than the preservation of my own

54:07life even sometimes maybe my own

54:10freedom. I wanted to join arm response

54:15knowing this might be the case but I am

54:18prepared to face the consequences and I

54:22was ready to face the consequences

54:24because I knew deep down inside of me I

54:26will be so well prepared so well

54:30prepared. I will train myself every

54:32single day not only in my physical

54:35ability to do something.

54:38my tactics, my firearm tactics, my

54:41communications, even if it's only in my

54:43head, my knowledge of the legislations.

54:47So if that time comes one day, I will

54:50face it as a man who believes has

54:53reached that level of professionalism.

54:56And whatever may happen after that, I

54:58don't care because they're bigger things

55:01than me. I can't just say to myself, oh,

55:03you know something, I don't want to do

55:05this. you know, I just want to have a

55:06family and you know, maybe someone else

55:08can do it. No, no, no, no, no, Francis,

55:10it's necessary. Someone has to do it and

55:13I was prepared to do it. But I

55:15understand that, Dimitar. But there are

55:16people who are going, "Look, if I do my

55:18duty and I'm going to get punished for

55:20it, then what then? Why would I do that

55:24job?"

55:24>> Well, look at the Chris Kabak case.

55:26>> Look at look at the I mean, you you're

55:29the guy who wanted to be a firearms

55:31officer. I'm not Francis isn't, but this

55:33is a situation where someone has

55:36committed firearms offenses.

55:38>> Mhm.

55:38>> Is using his car to try and ram police

55:41officers. An armed police officer shoots

55:43him. And there's a big there's a big

55:46media hoopla about this. And the guy's

55:49the guy the officer who shoots him is

55:51tried for murder.

55:53>> Yes, he is tried for murder. Um I think

55:55uh

55:56>> this is it's it's grotesque.

55:58>> It is grotesque. Um

56:01this country it's um was famous once

56:04maybe one day again for probably having

56:06the best justice system in the world.

56:08>> Uh very rigorous, very open, you know.

56:10Uh we all put in the same uh uh you know

56:13level and uh we all be uh you know

56:16judged accordingly. So open scrutiny is

56:19very very welcomed you know very very

56:20welcome though the portrayal of what

56:23happened there

56:25>> in my opinion was indeed um actually

56:29taken away from uh an impartial honest

56:33process but it was a little bit one way

56:38uh this officer is a murderer

56:42seriously

56:43what do you know about uh air training

56:46what do you know about receiving an

56:48information about a vehicle which was

56:51linked to armed offenses. Someone tried

56:53to ram you with their own car, maybe

56:56having a gun because that's information

56:58you have. Maybe they're trying to ram

57:00with you you with with the car, but

57:02maybe next to him there was a gun. You

57:04don't know that. You know that that

57:05vehicle is linked with guns. And not

57:07only that, he's trying to ram me with

57:08his car. What do you think is the best

57:11solution in that split second? the

57:16police officer in question has made that

57:19decision

57:21and I think the decision was based on

57:24self-defense and defense of others

57:27because I was walking in North London

57:30and uh this chap came up to me and he

57:32said I love trigonometry. I want I want

57:34to let you know that I'm a police

57:36officer. There's a lot of police

57:37officers that watch the show and one of

57:39the things a lot of the people in the

57:42force believe is that neither senior

57:45leadership nor the politicians have our

57:48backs.

57:50>> Uh there's a incentive like that. Yeah.

57:52Quite quite strong within the

57:53Metropolitan Police. Yes.

57:54>> But it's true, isn't it? Like I mean of

57:57they clearly don't have their backs

57:58because if they did in this situation

58:01the guy would get a medal, not a murder

58:02trial,

58:03>> right? uh uh they could be uh they could

58:06they can receive an award for exemplary

58:08work. Yes, that that can that can be the

58:10case most definitely. Or they were uh

58:13acquitted I think quite quite fast. So

58:15there's some hope still though um

58:18>> he should never have gone to trial

58:20never.

58:23>> Maybe for I think I'm not defending them

58:26by all means necessary uh the people who

58:30took him to trial. Maybe for the sake of

58:32uh that seeking that ultimate justice um

58:35it was um you know this officer was put

58:38through indeed a horrific I think you

58:41know uh uh trial you know and uh uh

58:44that's I can only imagine what he has

58:47been through but uh it was not that much

58:50about the trial it seemed to me to be a

58:53witchcraft like they were trying to

58:55convince him I think that's the problem

58:58it's not uh questioning uh Oh, let's see

59:01exactly what happened. What you have

59:03done? Could you have done anything

59:04better? All these questions that they're

59:05asking you. I think it was a a witch

59:08hunt day. Witch hunt. Yes. That's what I

59:10think. That was the problem. Yes.

59:12>> And but this is this is kind of what I'm

59:14getting at is um you say, you know, in

59:16the interest of absolute justice, but

59:18but as you know better than I, justice

59:21there this justice is a nuance thing.

59:23There are different people. If you hound

59:25a police, an armed police officer in the

59:28way that he was hounded both in the

59:29media, by politicians, by activists, and

59:32you put him on trial for murder when

59:33he's clearly not only done the right

59:35thing, but done the courageous thing in

59:37very difficult circumstances, that's not

59:40justice, that's injustice. And this is

59:43something that a lot of people feel has

59:45now happened in the country where the

59:47rights, I'm using inverted commas for

59:49people listening, of perpetrators of

59:51crime, which is what Chris Cabba was. he

59:54was a criminal.

59:55>> Yes.

59:55>> Are placed far and above the interests

59:58of the ordinary person who is the victim

1:00:00of those crimes or in this case of the

1:00:03police officer whose job it is to stop

1:00:05criminals like Chris Ka doing what they

1:00:07do.

1:00:09I think to some extent there might be

1:00:11some

1:00:13ideologues within um uh the system um

1:00:18the police, the the the courts uh which

1:00:22indeed may um perpetuate some ideologies

1:00:27um and uh therefore

1:00:30affect the process of justice. Uh now

1:00:36why we have um people like that in such

1:00:39position of power, positions of power is

1:00:43um beyond me. I don't know how they

1:00:45selected. Uh I don't know uh how they

1:00:49think. I don't know if they can't see

1:00:51for themselves that uh this is actually

1:00:54not transparent. I say that word quite

1:00:57quite often. This actually is leaning

1:01:00one way rather the other. Uh let's not

1:01:03forget that uh the courts are there for

1:01:05uh one thing and one thing only to be

1:01:09absolutely honest and clear about the

1:01:12picture. Their job is not to try to find

1:01:16someone guilty or not guilty but to find

1:01:19out what is the truth. And you here come

1:01:23very very correct. Unfortunately, I

1:01:26think we're living in a situation in a

1:01:28world in which truth

1:01:31can be interpreted very differently

1:01:34according to the people, you know,

1:01:36people in power. And that worries me a

1:01:38lot because

1:01:40um if we're going to have an ideologues

1:01:43making decisions

1:01:45what is wrong and what is right then we

1:01:48on a very very slippery slope of u and I

1:01:51think we're very very close to a point

1:01:53of no return with some insanities going

1:01:55on in London and in England to begin

1:01:57with

1:01:57>> because we're talking about ideologic.

1:02:01>> Yes. I mean there's there's a lot of

1:02:03problems with that but one of the major

1:02:05problems is ideologues see the world

1:02:07through their lens. It's an ideology and

1:02:10with policing you can't have ideology.

1:02:13You have to have reality.

1:02:15>> Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Correct.

1:02:17>> So you look at something like stop and

1:02:19search and people were going oh we need

1:02:21to get rid of stop and search. Now again

1:02:24I've never policed a day in my life but

1:02:26to me that seems lunacy is particularly

1:02:30>> it is lunacy. It is absolutely crazy.

1:02:32>> Why why is it lun?

1:02:33>> Uh I would tell you uh stop and search

1:02:36is very very controversial. Um because

1:02:40according to um statistics um uh black

1:02:44kids um maybe stopped a little bit more

1:02:48uh than uh you know anyone else. Okay.

1:02:52I've done few stop and searches and I um

1:02:56will tell you something specifically

1:02:57when I was in um S&T safer neighborhoods

1:03:01team. Uh most of the stop and search

1:03:04were uh searches were in relation to

1:03:06drugs you know if you can find some

1:03:08drugs on them you know drug

1:03:09paraphernalia. Uh because these kids

1:03:11they go into uh inside properties you

1:03:14know on the staircase and they smoke

1:03:15weed and they listen to loud music. Well

1:03:18guess who is calling us there. It's the

1:03:22black lady next door who had enough of

1:03:24them. Guess who called us again? The

1:03:27black gentleman who told me, "I can't

1:03:29this deal with these kids anymore. Not

1:03:31only they're getting, you know, uh uh uh

1:03:33high on my in front of my apartment on

1:03:36the staircase." Last time one of them

1:03:38pissed in an elevator. The people who

1:03:41are calling me to do the stop and search

1:03:43and go and attent

1:03:46themselves. There were black lovely

1:03:49people living in these buildings who had

1:03:51enough of kids running up and down

1:03:53smoking weed and causing havoc, you

1:03:55know, steing your bikes and like uh this

1:03:58guy said, you know, pissing in the

1:03:59elevator. So, um stop and search is not

1:04:02exactly as people think. Most of the

1:04:04time uh it's uh other black folks

1:04:08calling on you know these kids. some of

1:04:10the stop and searches in um Soo for

1:04:13example. Uh Sooho is very famous for um

1:04:18getting your phone snatched um your uh

1:04:21watch uh snatched.

1:04:24If um there's a hot crime spot

1:04:29and um you are dressed

1:04:33in um you know uh black uh Nike uh you

1:04:39know tracksuit with a mask on. Of course

1:04:41that's not enough for anyone to stop and

1:04:43search. maybe just the way you want to

1:04:45dress, you know. But um when um you're

1:04:50running away from the police and you try

1:04:52to hide yourself away from the police

1:04:53and before that there was an intelligent

1:04:55sources described someone like you

1:04:58feeding that description of just robbed

1:05:01the phone 20 minutes ago. You might be

1:05:04indeed get stop and search. Not because

1:05:07you might be guilty, but you may fit

1:05:10very very well the description of that

1:05:12person found in that exact location in

1:05:17which 20 minutes ago someone got their

1:05:20phone snatched, you know, and you really

1:05:22really look like that that that person.

1:05:24If you uh have uh um nothing to hide,

1:05:28that's absolutely fine. You can stop and

1:05:29search me, you know. If you if you got a

1:05:31description of Eastern European guy, you

1:05:32know, looking at me, snatching phones,

1:05:34you know, I want to be stop and search

1:05:36as soon as possible because I want to

1:05:37eliminate myself. I want the bad guy

1:05:39actually to be found. So stop and search

1:05:42most of the time in my opinion, looking

1:05:44at my colleagues as well, it's very very

1:05:46well researched. It's not done for the

1:05:48sake of stopping and searching people.

1:05:50That is not true. That is not true.

1:05:53Actually, the stop and searches which

1:05:54have been conducted are very very

1:05:56professional. You know, very curtious.

1:05:59They take their time. They explain

1:06:00everything in detail. They're willing to

1:06:03give you a record of the stop and search

1:06:05if you think it was not right for you to

1:06:08go and you know and say, you know, I

1:06:09don't think that was right. You know, I

1:06:11don't think that officer stopped me for

1:06:12the right reason. And that never happens

1:06:14because most of the time the

1:06:16intelligence sources are quite um uh

1:06:19quite spot on.

1:06:20>> And it's not just crimes, it's also

1:06:22preventing crimes. Yes. But if you've

1:06:24got the report that that somebody's

1:06:26carrying a knife,

1:06:27>> you could be saving someone's life.

1:06:29>> Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And knives are

1:06:32knives are

1:06:34um how can I put it? Much more um

1:06:39prelevant that people think. A lot of

1:06:41people carry knives. Uh however, they

1:06:45tend to hide them sometimes near them.

1:06:48If they're in a particular area, they

1:06:51might not carry the knife with them all

1:06:52the time. But uh if another gang comes

1:06:56uh they know where the knife is and uh

1:06:57they can run and get it. So uh a lot of

1:07:01people might be found not carrying a

1:07:04knife but they might have knives

1:07:06somewhere close to them or within some

1:07:09of their friends which haven't been uh

1:07:12stopped and searched. Knives it's it's

1:07:14an epidemic. It's it's a really epidemic

1:07:16and it's extremely dangerous. Yes, I

1:07:17agree with you. Uh and they have ways

1:07:19around it, you know. Uh uh they they

1:07:21know what to do. They really really do.

1:07:22People who actually carry knives,

1:07:24they're quite well educated on the

1:07:26topic, if that makes sense. They really

1:07:28do know what

1:07:29>> what does that mean, Dimitar?

1:07:30>> Well, like I said, they might hide the

1:07:32knife, they might hide the drugs. Uh

1:07:34they might not have it on them. So, um

1:07:38let's say um 20 minutes ago, you saw

1:07:40someone matching my description, you

1:07:41know, pulling, you know, having a knife,

1:07:43you know, just putting a knife in my in

1:07:45my in my pocket. Okay. And um however in

1:07:49this 20 minutes that until the police

1:07:51come and found me you know I'm in my

1:07:53area you know and I'm let's say I'm I'm

1:07:55doing something dodgy there you know but

1:07:57I know you know I don't want to carry

1:07:58the knife with me you know I'm going to

1:08:00be here let's say for the next half an

1:08:02hour I may leave the knife somewhere

1:08:04close by and on my way out of this area

1:08:08I can just pick it up with me. So you

1:08:10have that information, you come, you

1:08:12stop and search me, but the knife is not

1:08:13on me because I've stashed it somewhere.

1:08:16That's it.

1:08:17>> And now you've committed a point uh

1:08:19whatever the term would be, a pointless

1:08:21or a fruitless or a baseless stop and

1:08:23search and you are now

1:08:25>> respective. It's negative. Yeah, it's

1:08:27negative. Yeah.

1:08:28>> And why is there an epidemic of knife

1:08:30crime in London?

1:08:31>> Because of how volatile the city is. the

1:08:34cities. Uh I will give you an example

1:08:38which I think fits the characteristics

1:08:41of London quite well. I'm from Eastern

1:08:44Europe.

1:08:45I said that to all my friends, Eastern

1:08:47European friends across the seas. My

1:08:49English friends, pick any Eastern

1:08:52European country. Pick any city in any

1:08:55Eastern European country, any street,

1:08:59any day, any time. I will walk there on

1:09:02my own. No worries. I would never ever

1:09:07do the same in London in some areas.

1:09:09Never. I'm going to get jumped. I I

1:09:12won't. I won't. I I am I am genuinely

1:09:15scared. I'll do that everywhere else in

1:09:17Eastern Europe. Lovely. With with

1:09:19pleasure here. I won't do the same

1:09:20thing. I go back home sometimes and I uh

1:09:24say to, you know, people in in Bulgaria,

1:09:26probably European country, how dangerous

1:09:29London is, and [snorts] they look at me

1:09:32in disbelief, in in in absolute

1:09:34disbelief. I said, "Well, yeah. Oh,

1:09:36yeah. Fights, um, your watch gone,

1:09:39people getting stabbed almost on daily

1:09:42basis." Uh I think I'm not very very

1:09:45sure 40% of all mobile snatches in

1:09:49continental Europe I think are conducted

1:09:52in London. I'm not very very very sure

1:09:54but it's something extraordinary like

1:09:55that.

1:09:55>> Dean, can you check it out with Venice

1:09:56AI? It's it's what we use to fact check

1:09:59things while we're conver

1:10:02I'm interested to see.

1:10:03>> Is it true that 40% of phone snatching

1:10:05in Europe is in London? Just check that.

1:10:07>> Thank you. Um,

1:10:09and do you put that down to the problems

1:10:12of policing that you told us about,

1:10:13which is effectively if you don't have

1:10:15enough police, if you're losing good

1:10:16police officers, if the quality of the

1:10:18police officers declining, we know, you

1:10:20know, under Theresa May's government,

1:10:22there were slashes to uh or when she was

1:10:25home secretary rather, there was huge

1:10:26budget slashes and therefore you

1:10:28couldn't you lost tens I think over

1:10:3110,000 police officers. is the reason

1:10:33London has become less safe and more

1:10:35there's more crime because there's not

1:10:37enough good police officers.

1:10:39>> I think it's partially because of that.

1:10:42>> And what else?

1:10:45>> Apathy. People don't care. People think

1:10:47that they can get away with everything.

1:10:50The social cohesion of so-called

1:10:54diversity is our strength in London in

1:10:57my opinion is a fairy tale.

1:10:59I have never seen a city so beautiful

1:11:03with so much potential and yet so

1:11:06divided. I I am I am really really

1:11:09shocked to see that. I think a lot of

1:11:12these young kids, these gangs, they

1:11:16don't care. They have absolutely no

1:11:18connection to anyone and anything but

1:11:22the gangster lifestyle. uh because it

1:11:25seems so easy to get away with it and

1:11:29yes it seems so easy to get away with it

1:11:30because um like you said you know

1:11:33there's not enough police officers. The

1:11:35second part is even there are some

1:11:37police officers like Francis said they

1:11:40look at them I'm think and they're

1:11:42thinking probably they look like um you

1:11:45know a sack of potatoes in uniform. I

1:11:47outro dam officer they try to deter push

1:11:50them over and get away with it. I think

1:11:52all those factors contribute to that.

1:11:55>> You know, it's interesting you say that

1:11:57you guys were talking about this. I saw

1:11:58I was scrolling my Twitter that

1:12:01yesterday. I saw this video of uh a guy

1:12:06promote posted this video saying, "Oh,

1:12:08the police in in London don't about

1:12:11and and it's u it's guys on bikes

1:12:14snatching phones and then a police

1:12:15officer comes in and just smashes them

1:12:17off the bike or they tackle them off the

1:12:19bike or they ram them. not ram them with

1:12:21a car, but they sort of enclosed them.

1:12:24>> And I was like, "Oh, wow. This is Oh,

1:12:26have they changed policy?"

1:12:27>> That's an AI.

1:12:28>> I watched as well yesterday.

1:12:31>> I was like, "Oh, this is what we want."

1:12:32Oh. Oh, okay. It's AI.

1:12:33>> That That was an AI. Yes. Yes, it is. It

1:12:35is.

1:12:36>> Sort of tells the full story, doesn't

1:12:38it?

1:12:38>> It is. It is. It is indeed exactly that.

1:12:40It's apathy. They They don't care. Um

1:12:44police are not there to begin with. They

1:12:46don't look respectful enough to a police

1:12:50officer should be especially frontline

1:12:52police officer should be to some extent

1:12:54possessing authority. So when I see to

1:12:57police officers coming from a police car

1:12:59I want to think for myself. You know

1:13:01something man I rather I rather do you

1:13:04know what I got to do.

1:13:05>> I don't want to mess with I don't want

1:13:06to mess with this guy.

1:13:07>> Exactly. I don't want to get you know

1:13:09detained by these officers. You know

1:13:10he's not going to be and they obviously

1:13:12seems like they're going to detain me.

1:13:13you know, or maybe I should do something

1:13:15else with my life. Uh, however, these

1:13:18officers are getting less and less and

1:13:21far between

1:13:22>> and that's uh a tragedy and the

1:13:25taxpayers are paying for that.

1:13:27>> Dean, did you were you able to look it

1:13:28up?

1:13:29>> So, the UK as a whole accounts for about

1:13:3040%.

1:13:31>> Okay. So, the UK as a whole is 40% of

1:13:34all phone snatching in Europe.

1:13:37>> That's uh I mean

1:13:38>> that's insane.

1:13:39>> That that's that that's that's crazy.

1:13:40Oh, uh Constantine. Um, it's it's it is

1:13:43beyond belief how bad it is.

1:13:45>> Can I ask a question? Cuz cuz this

1:13:47really like this is going to this as a

1:13:50Londoner, this boils my urine.

1:13:53>> You see these kids, you see them nicking

1:13:55phones.

1:13:56>> Yes.

1:13:56>> You see them cycling around. I don't see

1:13:59a police officer. I'm like, why don't

1:14:01you arrest this kid? I mean, it's not

1:14:04exactly a difficult crime to solve.

1:14:07>> They don't have enough people, Francis.

1:14:10Like I said, spec specifically um

1:14:13Westminster, which I used to work, you

1:14:15go from coal to coal to co to coal and

1:14:18to some extent if you're experienced

1:14:21police officer and you are let's say on

1:14:24Oxford Street and very very quickly you

1:14:25need to go to I don't know um just

1:14:28region street it's not that far away

1:14:30you know somebody snatched your phone

1:14:33let's be very very precise I snatched

1:14:35your phone until the victim finds

1:14:39someone to call the police.

1:14:42Until the police ask you a few

1:14:44questions,

1:14:46>> until a police unit is dispatched to

1:14:48come and see you, the fellow on the

1:14:50bike, it's in Lambbeath

1:14:53in that electric bike. You know, he's in

1:14:55Lambert. He's And a lot of police

1:14:57officers, they know that. Yes, of

1:14:58course, they're going to put the blue

1:14:59lights on and they're going to try to

1:15:01come and speak to the victim as soon as

1:15:03possible. That's absolutely fine. But

1:15:06deep down they know the whole process

1:15:09until they get dispatched until they

1:15:11come and see you. Especially now Oxford

1:15:14Street will be uh you know made for

1:15:16pedestrians alone is that's going to be

1:15:17a crime heaven. That is going to be

1:15:19something else. Your phone is gone. So

1:15:21they know that. They know that. But I

1:15:24will say something a little bit

1:15:26controversial.

1:15:27Snatching phones. It just a little part

1:15:31of actually what is going on in London.

1:15:33The robberies are something else. Uh

1:15:37people being threatened with knives, uh

1:15:40beaten in front of their wives and

1:15:41partners, you know. Um there few videos

1:15:44like that on on social media getting

1:15:46their, you know, watches away from them.

1:15:49The the violence is escalating quite a

1:15:52lot. A lot of people are not afraid to

1:15:53stand in front of police officer and

1:15:57abuse them. uh sometimes even become

1:16:00physical with police officers and I

1:16:03think um I think that's very very very

1:16:06telling very very very telling I have uh

1:16:09a colleague who in one of these protests

1:16:12which used to happen every Saturday got

1:16:15dragged in in the crowds I think they

1:16:18stole her helmet I think they stole her

1:16:21but button and I think they broke her

1:16:23hip I'm not very very sure if she had a

1:16:25broken hip or not and then they they

1:16:27spat her

1:16:28Yeah, I mean uh uh it's u it's it's it's

1:16:32really really bad. It's really really

1:16:33bad. If something similar happens to

1:16:352011

1:16:37>> in London, I don't think uh we'll be

1:16:39able to cope.

1:16:40>> You're talking about the riots.

1:16:41>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:43>> Tim, it's been an absolute pleasure

1:16:44having you on.

1:16:45>> Thank you.

1:16:45>> Uh we're going to go to questions from

1:16:47our supporters. I really thank you for

1:16:49coming on. And I think it's really

1:16:50important for people like you to come

1:16:51forward to tell your story

1:16:52>> and to explain to people

1:16:55>> at the normal level of the person, the

1:16:57frontline police officer and this will

1:16:59be true in the NHS, it'll be true in

1:17:01prison of service in many different

1:17:03areas what's actually going on because

1:17:05politicians talk about politics and

1:17:07media people talk about this at a

1:17:08political and media level. But just to

1:17:10hear your story from your experiences

1:17:13has been really valuable. So thank you

1:17:15for coming on. Before we get to

1:17:17questions from our supporters, what's

1:17:18the one thing we're not talking about

1:17:19that we really should be?

1:17:21>> Before Dimitar answers the final

1:17:23question at the end of the interview,

1:17:25make sure to head over to

1:17:26triggerpod.co.uk

1:17:28where you'll be able to see this. What

1:17:31does the public most misunderstand about

1:17:34being a police officer?

1:17:36>> Why is there two-tier policing?

1:17:39>> Is it now time for all police officers

1:17:41to be armed with guns?

1:17:43What's the one thing we're not talking

1:17:45about that we really should be?

1:17:48>> The very painful topic of um

1:17:52introducing

1:17:54higher standards when it comes to

1:17:56recruitment.

1:17:58The very topic of um

1:18:04few

1:18:08[snorts] I have to say it. I think to

1:18:10some extent the front line has been um

1:18:15quite saturated by um

1:18:18female [snorts] officers which are

1:18:21absolutely wonderful in what they do.

1:18:24But when it comes to volatility and

1:18:28being able to objectively restrain

1:18:30someone,

1:18:33I think they are not prepared to such

1:18:39level of violence and they need a lot of

1:18:42backup sometimes. And because they need

1:18:45backup, most of the times they're taking

1:18:48away a unit that might be dealing with

1:18:51someone else. If we had more officers

1:18:53that's absolutely fine. I want and I

1:18:55wish everyone the best. I want everyone

1:18:58to expand in their work. But we are at

1:19:01such stage of uh um low numbers that if

1:19:06we don't address the quality of

1:19:09policing,

1:19:12we might be indeed

1:19:14uh in the next few years uh seeing the

1:19:17total collapse of the police. in my

1:19:21opinion.

1:19:22>> And uh what do you think the answer to

1:19:24that is? Because when we had Chris Chris

1:19:26Donaldson who's a former police officer

1:19:28himself and in fact he worked his way up

1:19:31I think uh he he mentioned that you know

1:19:34we talked about the the fe the female

1:19:36aspect of this that you bring up the

1:19:38physical strength of being able to deal

1:19:40with violence and what he said is the

1:19:42the thing is there's a flip side to this

1:19:44which is female officers can quite often

1:19:46diffuse a situation in a way that men

1:19:48are less likely to do which I think is I

1:19:50suspect is probably partly true. So is

1:19:52it about having the right mix or

1:19:55partnering people in the right way or

1:19:56having more people or do do you think

1:19:58it's it's just a question of people

1:20:01being put into positions for which

1:20:02they're not suitable?

1:20:04>> Uh I think um

1:20:06uh DEI

1:20:08uh has introduced um few of these uh

1:20:11policies that uh you know we need a

1:20:13certain amount of that type of people

1:20:15certain amount of these type of people

1:20:16which is absolutely crazy. That's insane

1:20:18because the moment you say I need more

1:20:20uh Bulgarians, you know, give myself

1:20:22into example, you are taking away the

1:20:24opportunity of someone else that might

1:20:26be much better suited for that position.

1:20:27And that that that's that's true. Um and

1:20:31I disagree actually with that that

1:20:32they're better in diffusing uh

1:20:34situations.

1:20:36Diffusing diffusing a situation needs

1:20:39courtesy and professionalism. That's the

1:20:42only thing that it needs. It doesn't

1:20:44matter where it comes from. As long as

1:20:46the other person can see that is genuine

1:20:50regardless if comes from me or you or um

1:20:54some other uh lady, it truly truly

1:20:57doesn't matter. It has to be sincere.

1:21:00Courtesy is something that you cannot

1:21:02fake. Discretion is something that you

1:21:04cannot fake.

1:21:06Maybe uh some uh female officers may

1:21:10possess that more naturally. But then

1:21:13again, what makes a a person naturally

1:21:15more cocousious? Uh that that we can't

1:21:18uh we can't pick and choose um when it

1:21:21comes to the reality of frontline

1:21:23policing. I rather have someone who is

1:21:26more physically capable of doing things

1:21:29and then work on their courtesy uh and

1:21:33discretion than someone that has only

1:21:36courtesy and discretion. But uh it's not

1:21:38working on the physical ability to do

1:21:40something because uh uh most criminals

1:21:44uh really don't much care how cous you

1:21:48are. Uh especially if they're guilty,

1:21:50they want to get away. They want to get

1:21:52away. Of course, that doesn't mean you

1:21:53have to approach them. Hey mate, but um

1:21:57they really really don't care. They are

1:21:59thinking I'm how I'm going to get out of

1:22:01this, what I'm going to do, what I'm

1:22:02going to say. You know, it's it's whole

1:22:05uh avalanche in their head. Uh so to

1:22:08some extent they might be right, but I

1:22:10wouldn't myself use that as a theory to

1:22:14just put more curtious people regardless

1:22:16of their sex.

1:22:17>> Well, and we saw it I mean with the

1:22:18Manchester ter the Manchester airport

1:22:21>> Yes. confrontation. I mean,

1:22:24you feel sorry for the for the female

1:22:26police officers involved in that

1:22:27situation who were badly injured, but

1:22:29but you you you you in in as you just

1:22:32said earlier, in an ideal situation,

1:22:34those guys who punched police officers

1:22:37really should have been very hesitant to

1:22:39do so because of the stature and the

1:22:41presence of those police officers and

1:22:43they would ideally be thinking, I don't

1:22:45want to punch these people because

1:22:46that's going to end very badly for me.

1:22:48>> Yes, absolutely. And and clearly that

1:22:50deterrent wasn't there which is what

1:22:51you're saying.

1:22:52>> No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And um it's to

1:22:55some extent I actually think it might be

1:22:56invitation

1:22:57>> of course.

1:22:58>> And um uh I think uh we should address

1:23:02something else here as well. Um which

1:23:04again may sound controversial but um

1:23:08uh we live in a

1:23:11very very multicultural society.

1:23:15>> Mhm. And uh I think uh perhaps we have

1:23:19to take into consideration that some

1:23:22cultural upbringing

1:23:24may have different views

1:23:28on women. [laughter]

1:23:30>> Yeah, I think we might. Yes, that that

1:23:32is very very very important. And um

1:23:36>> Oh, I see even more what you're saying.

1:23:38I So when it comes to policing, the way

1:23:41somebody from a certain background might

1:23:42react to a female police officer is

1:23:45different. Yes, absolutely. I've seen

1:23:46that many many times. I've seen that

1:23:48many many times. I've been uh I have

1:23:50done very many sale exits. Sell exit is

1:23:53um when someone is very very angry and

1:23:56uh you know you need to detain them

1:23:58inside the uh the cell and you know

1:24:00there's a particular way how you get

1:24:02away from them and um

1:24:05I have seen people being angry being

1:24:08handled by uh female police officers uh

1:24:12quite often. um and they come from uh

1:24:17most of the time

1:24:20particular backgrounds in uh North

1:24:24Africa and Southeast Asia most of the

1:24:27time. And um I have experienced that

1:24:30myself. I have experienced people

1:24:33telling me, "Oh, why with English?

1:24:35You're like us. You're a foreigner.

1:24:36You're one of us quite a few times."

1:24:39Most of the times they think I'm Russian

1:24:40because of my family name.

1:24:42>> Yes. Uh and uh

1:24:45they have been told me why we them you

1:24:47know why why we English they never say

1:24:48the British.

1:24:50>> Yeah

1:24:50>> they say the English we think uh we are

1:24:53British. Uh they they think this is

1:24:57England. It's it's quite interesting

1:24:58that we want to uh achieve um uh

1:25:02something which is uh you know under the

1:25:04United Kingdom. We're all British but

1:25:06they don't see uh the the locals as

1:25:09British. They see them as English. to

1:25:11some extent I think the animosity is

1:25:13quite open

1:25:14>> and I'm very very very so sorry to say

1:25:16that but I have experienced that myself

1:25:18I have seen it I have heard it many many

1:25:20times oh why you helping them you know

1:25:22why join the police are crazy stuff like

1:25:24that you know from uh quite a few quite

1:25:26a few people

1:25:27>> and it's also as well let's be honest

1:25:30about that in this country you're taught

1:25:33never to hit a woman now some people do

1:25:36because they're not very nice people

1:25:37they're not good people morally but that

1:25:39is what were taught in this country.

1:25:41There are other cultures they don't

1:25:43really have an issue with it. Francis um

1:25:48the insanity

1:25:50of the s this this is my opinion again

1:25:54you know I think it's an insanity uh

1:25:57what we have found ourselves to be in

1:26:00let me paint the picture people in suits

1:26:04paid by taxpayers money going to the

1:26:07home office okay for months

1:26:11thinking about what we are going to do

1:26:15and came out with leaflets saying you

1:26:19need the other person to say yes before

1:26:22you have sex. Don't have sex with

1:26:24someone who is asleep. For the love of

1:26:26God, are we living in a age of total

1:26:30delusion?

1:26:31>> Yes.

1:26:33>> This is this is crazy. You know, I I

1:26:35said that to my sister and she thinks I

1:26:37am I am joking. You know

1:26:40>> people outside of Britain think uh uh uh

1:26:43you people are totally nuts and and I

1:26:46mean that because I feel sorry for this

1:26:48country that has given so much to the

1:26:50world and it doesn't really matter in my

1:26:52in my case where I have come from

1:26:54because where you come from yes indeed

1:26:56matters a lot but essentially what

1:26:57matters is your ideas what you believe

1:27:00in how you want to live your life that's

1:27:02why I have chosen to live in Britain I

1:27:05don't consider myself British maybe one

1:27:06day if I marry a British lady and we

1:27:09have kid maybe that kid will be British

1:27:11but not me. I consider myself as a

1:27:13subject of this great place and I want

1:27:16to help out but I am afraid to say that

1:27:19I think I'm in the minority. There's a

1:27:21lot of people who don't think that way

1:27:25whatsoever are openly hostile and for

1:27:28the United Kingdom governments who

1:27:30approve that I think uh tells you

1:27:34everything you need to know of where we

1:27:36are heading.

1:27:37>> Absolutely. Dimitar it's been an

1:27:38absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for

1:27:40coming on the show. Make sure to head

1:27:42over to our subst where you get to ask

1:27:44Dimitar your questions.

1:27:48>> He says, "I believe broken window series

1:27:50[music] one of the best forms of crime

1:27:52prevention in a community. Why why is

1:27:54low-level crime not cracked down on very

1:27:56hard so that you prevent crime [music]

1:27:58escalating as we've seen in London?