Trump Becomes the Very Thing He Swore to Destroy. And It Might Cost Us Our Country.

0:00It's an interesting and revealing

0:01experience to talk to Trump voters right

0:03now. They're having a lot of conflicting

0:06thoughts. Now, most people who voted for

0:08Donald Trump in 2024

0:11did so not because they were more

0:15popular with their neighbors, but

0:16because they felt that Donald Trump was

0:19the last chance this country had to make

0:21fundamental changes it needed to make to

0:24avert obvious disasters looming on the

0:27horizon. And so because people who voted

0:30for Trump did so against the considered

0:33advice of every news organization in the

0:35United States basically and all educated

0:38fashionable people,

0:40they kind of went out on a limb to vote

0:43for this guy. There is a natural

0:45hesitance to concede that things aren't

0:48working as planned. So if you talk to

0:51them, they will almost all concede,

0:53almost all concede that a regime change

0:57war with Iran was kind of not part of

0:58the plan. Very few people voted for

1:00Trump hoping that, you know, the Iran

1:03nuclear program that didn't actually

1:05exist in any meaningful way would be the

1:07central focus of the administration like

1:09that. Nobody thought that who voted for

1:10Trump two years ago. And some of them

1:14will tell you, "No, it's actually very

1:15important that we ended that or

1:17continued to fight Iran for whatever

1:19reason. Those of the Fox News viewers

1:20are almost all over 70." But for most

1:22Trump voters, it's an obvious betrayal.

1:26Like, obviously, of course, we didn't

1:28want that. Of course, you promised you

1:29wouldn't do it. You did it. So, they'll

1:32tell you that. But that's not the same

1:36as regretting their vote for Trump.

1:38Because most people who voted for Trump,

1:39who I should say are some of the best

1:41people in the country, whatever you

1:42think of Trump, it's sort of this weird

1:44situation where the best people in the

1:45country elected one of the worst people

1:46in the country or another way to put it,

1:48the people who care most about the

1:50United States, who were the most vested

1:52in the system, who believed most

1:53fervently in say the Constitution

1:57somehow elected a guy who doesn't care

1:58at all about any of that. So, how did

2:00that happen? Well, only historians

2:01probably will unravel that mystery. But

2:03in the meantime, most people who voted

2:06for Trump that we've talked to anyway

2:08are not at the point where they're

2:10rejecting Trump. They don't want to

2:12reject Trump. They vested so much in the

2:15guy that it's too hard to concede that,

2:18wow, that was a mistake. And of course,

2:21most of them wouldn't vote for Kla

2:22Harris under any circumstances. So, it's

2:24not like they had someone else to vote

2:25for. But if you press them a little bit,

2:27they say, look, yeah, of course, this is

2:29not going as planned at all. And they'll

2:32tell you what a lot of them said in his

2:33first term from 2016 to 2020. They'll

2:36say, you know, he's a good guy, but he's

2:38surrounded somehow by bad people who

2:41don't share the same vision, who are not

2:42America first, who are in it for

2:44themselves or in it for a foreign

2:45country or whatever. They've sold Trump

2:47out. But Trump either can't get a handle

2:51on the federal bureaucracy or he just

2:53doesn't know. He doesn't know that

2:55they're doing this. You know, if only

2:56Trump knew.

2:59And then if you press them still more,

3:00they will say, "Yeah, well look, it's,

3:02you know, it's not great in a lot of

3:03ways, but

3:05immigration,

3:07he sealed the border. He kept his

3:09promises on immigration." And that's not

3:11a small thing because Trump's position

3:14on immigration is the core of the Trump

3:18movement and has been since 2015 when he

3:21first emerged as a candidate. Not a

3:23credible candidate. He was still kind of

3:25a joke to a lot of people in Washington,

3:27New York, and LA.

3:29But he soon became a force in the

3:31Republican party and then pretty swiftly

3:33took over the Republican party because

3:36of his position on immigration

3:39really for two reasons. One, it was a

3:42lot more popular than anyone in New

3:44York, Los Angeles or Washington had any

3:47idea, just didn't know

3:49that there was a whole world out there

3:51that disagreed with him vehemently on

3:53the question of immigration. And not

3:54just illegal immigration but immigration

3:56broadly like who should live here? Do we

3:59have too many people here, too few

4:01people here?

4:03Most people fear there feel there are

4:05too many already. It's becoming a

4:07crowded country and most Americans are

4:09not for that. Why would they be for

4:10that? And they felt this way even 10

4:12years ago. And so Trump's position on

4:15that is the thing, the single thing that

4:18vaulted him from failed casino magnet to

4:22presidential nominee. it was immigration

4:24and his willingness and this is the

4:26second part of the equation to basically

4:28give the finger not simply to the

4:30establishment but to the Republican

4:32establishment. Trump was never an

4:35orthodox Republican. That's not a knock

4:37against him. That's the whole reason

4:38that so many Republican voters supported

4:41him because they were dissatisfied with

4:42their own party. They'd voted for these

4:45guys since Reagan, at least since 1980.

4:48And what had they gotten? Not a better

4:50country, but a weaker, poorer country.

4:53their party had betrayed them and they

4:55knew that whether they admitted it in

4:56public or not. So Trump's willingness to

5:01break with the Republican party on the

5:04question of immigration, which was a

5:05core Republican orthodoxy, it was Ronald

5:07Reagan, of course, who signed the

5:08amnesty of 1986, totally changing the

5:10composition of the state of California,

5:12his state, and others.

5:15And so from 1986 to 2016, that was the

5:20Republican position. Yeah, we have

5:22problems with illegal immigration, but

5:24immigration is great. It's the basis of

5:26our country. It's engraved on the bottom

5:27of the Statue of Liberty. Give us your

5:29tired and poor and people yearning to be

5:32free, etc. That's the guy who does my

5:34lawn.

5:37Only Trump

5:40could change that. Or more to the point,

5:43only Trump did change that. And so in

5:45case you've forgotten, here is the last

5:4910 years

5:51encapsulated in four or five sound bites

5:53of Donald Trump on immigration. Now the

5:55first clip you're about to see is

5:57exactly 10 years old. It was August

5:5931st, 2016. Exactly 10 years ago. Here's

6:03Donald Trump.

6:05The fundamental problem

6:08with the immigration system in our

6:10country is that it serves the needs of

6:13wealthy donors, political activists, and

6:17powerful powerful politicians. It's all

6:19you can do. Let me tell you who it does

6:24not serve. It does not serve you, the

6:29American people. Doesn't serve you.

6:32Under my administration,

6:35anyone who illegally crosses the border

6:38will be detained until they are removed

6:41out of our country and back to the

6:44country from which they came. Anyone who

6:47has entered the United States illegally

6:51is subject to deportation.

6:53That is what it means to have laws and

6:57to have a country. Otherwise, we don't

6:59have a country. Day one, MY FIRST HOUR

7:03IN OFFICE, THOSE PEOPLE are gone.

7:14[cheering]

7:18And you can call it deported if you

7:20want. The press doesn't like that term.

7:22You can call it whatever the hell you

7:24want. They're gone.

7:27>> You know, it's worth lingering over

7:28those words. And you wonder who wrote

7:30that. Sounds like a Steven Miller

7:31speech. Much hate towards Steven Miller,

7:34the old Steven Miller for writing things

7:36like that. We're just guessing. But but

7:38let's just consider these words. The

7:41fundamental problem with the immigration

7:42system in our country is that it serves

7:44the needs of wealthy donors, political

7:47activists, and powerful politicians. Let

7:50me tell you who it does not serve. It

7:51does not serve the American people. It

7:53doesn't serve you. So how is that not

7:55true? Everything about that paragraph is

7:58true. The immigration system was not

8:00designed to benefit the public. And if

8:03it was, tell me how it's worked. There's

8:06no net economic benefit to the way the

8:08United States has done immigration over

8:10the last 25 years. And if there is, what

8:13was it?

8:14How could a country that transitions

8:16from manufacturing to a knowledge

8:18economy and now to high-tech to an

8:20economy that doesn't even really need

8:22labor, that's the promise of AI, how

8:24does it need 100 million new low-skilled

8:27workers who don't speak English. Tell me

8:30what need that serves. Tell me how the

8:32United States benefits from that

8:34ordinary people. Of course, there's no

8:35sense in which the public benefits from

8:38that. And you know that that's true

8:40because the people who designed that

8:43system and have defended that system

8:45haven't actually defended it. They've

8:47merely attacked anyone who questions

8:50that system. You're a racist. You just

8:53don't like them because they're not

8:54white. Meanwhile, often in the same

8:57speech, they will say immigration is

9:00turning America non-white. And that's

9:02great. And anyone who notices that is a

9:04believer in the great replacement

9:06conspiracy theory, which is

9:07anti-semitic. Huh.

9:11It's not an argument in favor of

9:13immigration. It's a control tactic

9:16designed to crush opposition to a

9:18program that on its face hurts the

9:21majority of the country and is certainly

9:23being enacted against the will of the

9:24majority of the country. And so way back

9:2810 years ago in August of 2016, Trump

9:30said that out loud. And that may be more

9:33than anything

9:36perhaps his opposition to the Iraq war

9:38retroactively.

9:40But let's just say probably more than

9:42anything his critique of the American

9:45immigration system and particularly his

9:48point his true [snorts]

9:50impossible to refute point that it

9:52serves only the people who designed it

9:55and not the public. That's why they

9:57opposed him.

10:00And that itself is revealing because in

10:03fact Trump is making a kind of

10:04traditionally left-wing critique, a pro-

10:07labor critique. In fact, he's making a

10:10species of exactly the same argument

10:13that organized labor made throughout the

10:15teens and 20s. And that's why after the

10:17first world war in about 1924, at the

10:20behest of the labor unions, the United

10:22States essentially shut down immigration

10:23into the country to keep the labor

10:26market tight, to keep wages up for the

10:29working and middle class. And that's one

10:31of the main reasons that this country

10:32from then until 2015 under Barack Obama

10:36had a majority in the middle class. That

10:38is no longer true. And the primary

10:40reason it's no longer true is because

10:42the labor markets were watered down by

10:46more people. It's a supply and demand

10:48question. More willing workers, lower

10:52wages. And then the secondary effect,

10:55which is the total destruction of the

10:57native workforce. People born in this

11:00country, raised with a certain

11:02expectation of standard of living, drop

11:04out of the workforce entirely. They give

11:06up. And that has happened and it's

11:08measurable. In fact, it's one of the

11:10defining facts the moment we're living

11:12in, though it's almost never noted.

11:14People born in this country, people who

11:16had conceivably relatives who fought in

11:18the Civil War

11:20are dropping out of the workforce in

11:22record numbers. That's one of the

11:24reasons we still have a tight labor

11:25market. It's one of the reasons it's

11:27hard to find help because people born

11:29here are not working and they're

11:31certainly not working at the lower end

11:33of the scale.

11:36So everything about Trump's critique was

11:40not just right, it was spoton. And he

11:43rode that critique to victory in 2016

11:46along with a couple of very specific

11:48promises. And you heard a couple of them

11:50right there. And we'll add another. That

11:52is build a wall. The 2016 campaign could

11:56be boiled down to one slogan, build a

11:58wall. Well, of course, Trump didn't

11:59build a wall. Didn't even make really a

12:02good faith effort to build a wall. and

12:05his supporters and defenders

12:07mostly ignored that, me included,

12:11because most of them felt he probably

12:14wanted to. It's just hard and he got

12:16distracted and there was Russia gate.

12:20Most people who voted for Trump all

12:23three times and even the last time

12:25believed, in fact, I've never met anyone

12:26who voted for Trump who didn't believe

12:30that he really did understand that mass

12:33migration is terrible for the United

12:34States as it has been terrible for

12:36Europe, as it was terrible for Central

12:39Asia under the Mongols. It's always

12:42terrible. It's too much change too fast,

12:45and it destroys the pre-existing culture

12:48every single time.

12:50So, we know that that's not racism.

12:52That's nature.

12:54And Trump knew that and he said it. And

12:58most people, people who hated him and

13:00loved him, thought he meant it as he

13:01said it. Why did they think that?

13:03Because he kept saying it. This is one

13:06feature of Trump's program that remained

13:08consistent from 2015 all the way up

13:12until election night 2024. Here is Trump

13:15that year, that campaign on stage with

13:18Kla Harris in the now famous moment

13:23where he accused the Haitians of the

13:25Midwest of eating the dogs and cats.

13:27Watch what they have done to our country

13:29by allowing these millions and millions

13:32of people to come into our country and

13:34look at what's happening to the towns

13:36all over the United States. And a lot of

13:38towns don't want to talk. It's not going

13:39to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of

13:41towns don't want to talk about it

13:42because they're so embarrassed by it. In

13:45Springfield, they're eating the dogs,

13:48the people that came in. They're eating

13:50the cats. They're eating They're eating

13:53the pets of the people that live there.

13:57[laughter] Really one of the great

13:58moments in political history. And of

14:00course, it worked on a couple of

14:01different levels. On a political level,

14:04this is what the kids call trolling.

14:06Trump says something knowing it will

14:08provoke outrage, blind outrage. In fact,

14:11blind rage. And that every liberal on

14:14social media will be spouting, just

14:17fuming, sputtering, spitting, huffing,

14:22and that that anger will provoke them,

14:25his opponents, to take positions that

14:28are totally out of line with where the

14:30rest of the public is. In other words,

14:33by making them mad, he makes them more

14:35extreme. And that extremism sinks their

14:38ship in the end. It's smart. It may be

14:41corrosive. It may be damaging long term,

14:43but as a political tactic, that works.

14:45And no one did it better. No one does it

14:47better to this day than Donald Trump. So

14:49on that level, it was a success. But on

14:51a deeper level, it worked because

14:54there's a lot of truth in that. Were the

14:56Haitians eating the dogs and cats in

14:58Springfield? I don't know. They

15:00certainly could have been. Has mass

15:03migration, third world mass migration

15:05made small towns in America better? Only

15:07people who've never been to those towns

15:08could claim it has. Anyone who's

15:11actually been to those towns or lives in

15:12one or gotten in a car and driven

15:15through lightly populated parts of the

15:16country in the last 15 years, what does

15:19it look like?

15:21It looks awful. It's dying. And the

15:24solution in state after state and town

15:26after town, city after city, beginning

15:28with Chicago, long our second biggest

15:30city, now our third, but in all kinds of

15:33cities has been t the tax base is gone.

15:36You've got a lot of empty apartments.

15:38We're going to fill them up with

15:41immigrants.

15:42And they've done that. And the effect

15:46has been devastating to the country.

15:48It's not an attack on those immigrants.

15:50Most of them are looking for a better

15:52life whether or not they care about the

15:54United States. In many cases, they

15:55don't. Many of them don't even seek

15:57citizenship. They don't care. They're

15:58here to make money for their families

16:00back home. That doesn't make them evil.

16:01Most of them aren't evil. Some of them

16:03are criminals, but most of them aren't.

16:07In fact, a lot of them are very hard

16:08workers. So, it's not an attack on them

16:11to say that it has been utterly

16:14devastating to the communities in which

16:16they've moved or been moved because

16:20everything changes instantly. And what

16:23does that mean for the people who live

16:24in those communities, who grew up there,

16:26who had no role at all in this policy,

16:29who wouldn't sign off on it if they'd

16:31had the chance, but of course were never

16:32given the chance. They weren't even

16:33asked. It happened to them. people who

16:36live far away, who have more power than

16:37they do, impose this on them for reasons

16:39that nothing to do with their well-being

16:43or thriving.

16:45It was a kind of punishment imposed from

16:46afar. That's how they experience it

16:48because that's what it is.

16:51And they're resentful about that. That

16:52doesn't make them racist. Most of them

16:53aren't racist, whatever that means. By

16:56the way, the people throwing around the

16:57term racist never define it. But they're

17:00not bad people. They're not evil. They

17:01don't hate others because of their skin

17:03color. or they just don't want their

17:04neighborhood to change overnight and

17:06become a foreign experience. Who would

17:08want that? And by the way, the people

17:11making these decisions never impose

17:14these decisions on their own

17:15neighborhoods. And if you don't believe

17:18it, drive through their neighborhoods.

17:19Look up the 15 richest zip codes in the

17:21United States. And they're also the most

17:23stable zip codes because they are not

17:26subjected to mass migration. So that

17:28kind of tells you the whole story right

17:31there. Martha's Vineyard looks a lot

17:33like it did 50 years ago. So does

17:35Nantucket. So does Brooklyn,

17:36Massachusetts. So does Aspen. If it's so

17:39great, then why don't they have

17:4210,000 Haitians living in Martha's

17:44Vineyard?

17:46Because it's not great. That's why it's

17:47not an attack on the Haitians.

17:49It's the nature of mass migration.

17:52taking people from a completely

17:53different culture with no education,

17:56limited skills, and no money, and

17:58dropping them into what was formerly a

18:01pretty prosperous, stable community.

18:04Who benefits? Not the formerly pro

18:07prosperous community. If you think

18:08that's racist, then go away because

18:10that's absurd. It's not. It's real. And

18:13Trump made that point. He was brave

18:15enough to do that. And God bless him for

18:17doing it. So because he said that and

18:20many things like that,

18:22normal people who don't just dismiss all

18:24challenges to their worldview as racism

18:26or anti-semitism, but try to critically

18:29assess what others are saying,

18:32those people said to themselves, you

18:34know, there he's on to something here.

18:36Like, what are we doing to Springfield,

18:38Ohio? Why aren't we doing that to

18:40Bethesda, Maryland?

18:42Well, we're not doing it to Bethesda,

18:44Maryland because Bethesda, Maryland is

18:45rich and members of Congress live there.

18:47Why? In Springfield, Ohio, where is

18:49that? Who cares? That's like

18:51post-industrial hell. We can do whatever

18:52we want to them. And if we want to

18:54construct artificially a new voting base

18:57in the middle of Ohio, if we want to

18:59change it from red to blue or whatever

19:00our plan is, we just want to weaken

19:02America and divide it so it can't oppose

19:05us collectively, which may be part of

19:07the plan. But whatever our aim is, we

19:09can do it in Springfield, Ohio, because

19:10who's gonna stop us? They don't have a

19:13lobby in DC. Mary Mason doesn't care

19:15what happens in Springfield, Ohio.

19:18So that's what happened and everybody

19:20knows that and let's stop lying about

19:22it. And Trump was one of the only people

19:23not to lie about it. And of course he

19:25expressed it in artfully kind of

19:27way, but it doesn't make it

19:28less true.

19:30So it was on the basis of that

19:33and his opposition to foreign wars that

19:36got him elected in 2024.

19:39So what happened then?

19:42Well, a lot happened then. On the other

19:45hand, not much happened then, as you're

19:48about to learn as we talked to the

19:50recently departed head of Border Patrol,

19:52Greg Bevino,

19:54who spent 30 years in the Border Patrol

19:57and was hired early on to get our

20:00immigration system under control.

20:04One of the things that happened is that

20:06there was turnover in who ran our

20:10immigration system. Now, it's mostly run

20:14uh from Washington, of course, and ICE

20:18and the Border Patrol are the two main

20:20instruments.

20:23Take a look at the new head of the

20:26entire immigration enforcement

20:29operation. This is a former senator from

20:33Oklahoma called Mark Wayne Mullen, and

20:36he's taken over in the last year. This

20:38is the guy Trump hired to deport over a

20:43100 million illegals. Watch this.

20:45>> We have naturalization ceremonies every

20:48single day in the United States that

20:51we're in that is, you know, federal

20:53government's open. We have hundreds of

20:57thousands of people, in fact, over we're

20:59real close to 900,000 individuals that

21:02have been naturalized in the last 12

21:04months. There's a legal system to go

21:07through.

21:08>> Wait a second. This is the guy who runs

21:12Department of Homeland Security, Mark

21:15Wayne Mullen, who was hired by Trump to

21:17deport all these illegals who came into

21:20the country over the last 20 years, but

21:21particularly over the four years under

21:23Joe Biden. 50 million they told us. And

21:26here he is this month, that was August

21:294th of this month, sitting before the

21:31National Governor's Association,

21:33bragging about how many of these people

21:36have become citizens, almost a million,

21:38900,000. What was that? The promise? Did

21:42Trump run less than two years ago on the

21:44promise to give citizenship to people

21:46who came here illegally? Wasn't it the

21:48opposite of that?

21:50And if it was the opposite of that, why

21:52did he hire one of the most liberal

21:53Republicans in the Senate, one of the

21:55most pro-illegal immigration Republicans

21:57in the entire Senate, and that's saying

21:58a lot, Mark Wayne Mullen, to run

22:01deportation.

22:04This is starting to feel like a

22:05betrayal.

22:07Oh, but it gets worse. Here's what Mark

22:10Wayne Mullen went on to say to the

22:13governors on August 4th of this year.

22:15>> I'm what I'm saying is, let me work with

22:17you on this stuff.

22:19I'm not handling things like maybe the

22:21past uh uh secretary had. I'm just

22:25saying let's work to get the worst of

22:27the worst off the streets and then you

22:29won't see me in your cities and states

22:31like you do as much because of my

22:33presence won't be as big. In fact, you

22:35probably won't even see this at all. Oh,

22:38we're going to stop enforcing

22:39immigration law. We're going to go after

22:41the worst of the worst, the criminals,

22:44who, by the way, presumably could be

22:47rounded up by local or state law

22:48enforcement. Isn't that their job? This

22:51is the head of federal immigration

22:54enforcement.

22:55The guy whose job was literally paid to

22:58enforce immigration law, laws that were

23:00passed by the Congress. These aren't

23:02regulations that came out of the

23:03agencies. These are laws passed by the

23:06democratic process. In other words, you

23:08vote for someone so he can make a law

23:10that reflects your views and your

23:12values. That's what democracy is. And he

23:15does. And then this guy is hired to make

23:18sure those laws are enforced. And here

23:20he is telling the 50 governors that

23:22actually I'm not going to enforce those

23:24laws. Now, if he worked for Joe Biden,

23:26this would be a scandal. It' be on every

23:28Fox News show all day long. Here's the

23:31head of the Department of Homeland

23:32Security saying he's not going to

23:33enforce immigration law. Oh my gosh,

23:35they're open borders people, which they

23:37were. This is Trump's guy, Mark Wayne

23:40Mullen,

23:42making the same claim.

23:45And so the point is really simple.

23:48The true betrayal of the second Trump

23:51term may not be foreign policy.

23:55That's the most damaging thing Trump or

23:57any American president has ever done.

23:59Beginning a fruitless war with Iran and

24:01thereby destroying

24:03our empire and probably our dollar.

24:07But in terms of a political betrayal,

24:11what Trump has not done in immigration

24:13is more profound because there's you

24:15probably won't find a single Trump voter

24:18who disagreed with Trump's views on

24:20immigration. And once again, this is why

24:22Trump was able to move from the private

24:25sector as a branding guy to the White

24:28House as an American president was on

24:30the basis of his promises on

24:31immigration. So for him to betray those

24:34promises is profound. And it's

24:37understandable that most people who

24:38voted for him can't metabolize this,

24:40don't want to deal with it, want to

24:42believe we've sealed the border and

24:43everything's fine. But at a certain

24:46point, it's important to know exactly

24:49where we are.

24:50Not just speculate about it or cite some

24:52study from Yale on what's the state of

24:54illegal immigration in the United

24:55States, but talk to the guy who ran it,

24:59Greg Bevino, who ran Border Patrol, who

25:01has the actual numbers on this question.

25:04How many illegal aliens are in the

25:05United States? These are people who are

25:07foreign nationals who are living here

25:10illegally, who have broken the law to

25:12get here and are breaking the law in

25:14every single case every single day by

25:17using fake documents to work and collect

25:20benefits and send their kids to public

25:22school and to use the emergency room at

25:24public expense, etc., etc., etc.

25:27And these are not minor laws. These are

25:29core laws that if you broke, you would

25:32be punished for breaking.

25:34So, how many of those are there? How

25:36many were in this country the day Trump

25:39was inaugurated, January 20th, 2025? And

25:42how many are here now? What are the real

25:44numbers?

25:46No one has

25:48pointed this out.

25:51Democrats have no incentive to point it

25:52out. Of course, ICE shot a couple

25:55protesters last year and so the emphasis

25:58has been on that. They're murderous

26:00thugs. Okay, we can debate that.

26:02Obviously, shooting unarmed people is

26:03bad. Never defend it.

26:06But that's not the whole story. The

26:08whole story is that immigration

26:11enforcement in the United States has

26:13stopped has stopped.

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27:36So without further delay,

27:40this is Greg Bino who just left the

27:43Trump administration, ran Border Patrol,

27:45has the actual numbers on this stuff,

27:47was there while it was happening. We

27:49believe he is telling the truth. You

27:51should listen carefully to this

27:52interview and you should pay special and

27:54very close attention to his description

27:57of what the administration is now trying

27:59to do to him.

28:01It's shocking. Greg Bavino. Greg Vino,

28:05thank you very much for doing this. So

28:07just to kind of set it in context, what

28:09is the state of illegal immigration in

28:11the United States today to the extent

28:12that we know? Like how many illegal

28:14immigrants live in the United States?

28:16How many have been deported since Trump

28:19got elected, etc. Like, where are we?

28:21>> Tucker, thanks for having me. It's good

28:22to see you.

28:22>> Of course.

28:23>> Uh, state of illegal immigration. Uh,

28:25one word comes to mind, that's

28:26catastrophe right now in the United

28:28States. I I've got the number at 107

28:31million illegal aliens currently

28:34residing with impunity, I might add, in

28:37the United States.

28:38>> 107 million.

28:39>> 107 million. One quarter of the

28:42population. and we've got 330,000

28:44approximately American citizens. Add

28:46another 107 million onto that. Uh I

28:50think you can look around in any state,

28:52any region, or any city in the United

28:54States, if you're just a regular

28:56American citizen, and say, "Well, you

28:58know what? There's an awful lot of

29:01illegal aliens and foreigners in our

29:04country." Yeah. I mean, it's a

29:06completely different country because

29:07it's got a completely different

29:08population. And you're discouraged from

29:10saying that for some reason. People are

29:12bullied into silence on the question,

29:14but I mean it's it's not the same

29:15country. It's not even close. And you

29:18know, better in some ways, worse in a

29:20lot of ways, but it's totally different.

29:23And I assume that was mostly because of

29:26legal immigration, but 107 million

29:28illegal, illegal, the ones that came

29:31right across that border and not only

29:33over the past few years under the Biden

29:36administration, but look at what's

29:37happened over the past 40 years.

29:39>> Why are we fighting a war with Iran?

29:40Sorry. Well, makes me mad. What? Why are

29:43we using our $ 1.5 trillion military to

29:46fight a war across the world when we

29:48have 107 million illegal aliens in our

29:51country?

29:51>> We've said it many times in the Border

29:52Patrol. The war is on American soil. The

29:56war, the effort, that true effort is on

29:58American soil. So, I agree with you on

30:01that 100%, Tucker, is the wars on

30:04American soil. And it's not a war to

30:06simply deport those 107 million illegal

30:09aliens. This is survival of the species,

30:12ladies and gentlemen. We are at that

30:14precipice of are we going to remain the

30:17United States, the country of our

30:18values, traditions, and beliefs, or

30:20[snorts] are we going to devolve into

30:23something completely different? If we

30:24don't do something quick and fight that

30:26war here on American soil, we're there.

30:29But I mean, that was the whole point of

30:32getting Trump elected twice was to stop

30:35illegal immigration, build a wall, which

30:38he didn't do. And then, okay, we'll give

30:40him another chance. 2024

30:42hired Greg Bavino to run Border Patrol.

30:45Tom Hman tough on immigration or

30:47whatever. Like Steven Miller, he means

30:50it. And the one thing you knew about

30:52Trump was we were going to deport people

30:55who are here illegally because they have

30:56no right to be here. They're breaking

30:57the law. I go to jail if I break the

30:59law. But if you're from a foreign

31:00country, you get subsidies to come here

31:02if you break the law. Like it didn't it

31:03doesn't make any sense. But that hasn't

31:06happened, has it? It happened for that

31:09very short period of time in the

31:11interior when the border patrol and the

31:13US border patrol was in the interior and

31:15then with the surrender in Minnesota, it

31:18stopped the 77 million voters that voted

31:22for mass deportations. I guess it uh

31:25they didn't matter anymore. Um, but it

31:28does matter. It matters to you. It

31:30matters to me. It matters to those 77

31:32million people. It matters to those

31:3422,000 Border Patrol agents who put

31:36their life on the line in those cities

31:38to have that rug jerked out from under

31:41them by those homemans and those

31:43commissioner Rodney Scots. Okay. So now

31:46without getting you know the the federal

31:48government is its own field of study.

31:50Okay. You could get a PhD in it and

31:52still not understand it. It's the

31:53largest human organization in history.

31:56spends$7 trillion dollars a year. So

31:58like it's hard to understand what it is,

32:00but in terms that non-experts can

32:03understand, what is the difference

32:05between the border patrol and ICE?

32:08A vast difference. The US border patrol

32:11is the unformed

32:14branch of department of homeland

32:16security. CBP and the US border, they

32:18wear uniforms. They wear uniform just

32:20like a police officer you might see in a

32:22city. They wear uniforms. They are the

32:24immigration police, the uniforms

32:26immigration police. Then we've got ICE

32:29border patrol and they've been around

32:30forever, right? Been here 102 years. Uh,

32:34and they've had that interior border

32:36mission for all 102 years. It was the US

32:40Border Patrol, the Marine Corps, Federal

32:42Law Enforcement, that expeditionary

32:43force that would go into the United

32:45States over those 102 years, and there

32:47are many examples of that, to deport up

32:50to millions of illegal aliens. It's

32:53always been their mission. And right

32:55now, that unformed immigration force is

32:58standing shoulder-to-shoulder on the

33:00border, staring south, twiddling their

33:02thumbs. Largest border patrol in history

33:06now taken off the table. The most highly

33:08trained immigration police that you have

33:12taken right out of the game. Why would

33:13you take your pro squad or your varsity

33:15squad out of the game? I'm totally

33:18confused. So, okay. So, there are two

33:21parts of this question. And there's the

33:23border, you know, the the line between

33:25the United States and Mexico and Canada.

33:28And then there's the question of illegal

33:30the 107 illegal aliens living in the

33:32country. So you often hear people say,

33:35"Well, we sealed the borders." So Trump

33:37succeeded.

33:39Um I I don't think that's correct. I

33:41don't think that's what success is. But

33:44have the borders been sealed? The

33:46borders are under control more than they

33:48ever have been in my lifetime.

33:51However, when you don't have that

33:54interior immigration enforcement, that

33:56mass deportation, what does that do to

33:58your border? What does that do to the

34:00cartels and the transnational criminal

34:02organizations that are going to push

34:03people across that border? No defense in

34:05history's ever been 100%. None will ever

34:07be 100%. [snorts] What does that do?

34:10Well, you know, if I make it past those

34:12border patrol agents who are standing on

34:14the line facing south, I got a freebie,

34:17Tucker. I got a freebie. I got a freebie

34:19because if I get into the interior,

34:21there aren't no mass deportations

34:23occurring. There is the worst of the

34:25worst and the targeted criminal

34:27enforcement that sounds so great. What

34:30illegal alien crossing the border is

34:32going to say, "Well, gosh, I'm the worst

34:33of the worst. I better not cross." None

34:35of them think that. So, what that does

34:37to your border is that makes your border

34:41less secure. And you will see that over

34:43a period of time that they are going to

34:46try and come across that border and they

34:48will they'll succeed because all they

34:50have to do is make it into the interior.

34:53And once they make it into the interior,

34:54they're up against ICE. You ask what the

34:56difference between ICE and Border

34:58Patrol. ICE, fantastic. There's some

35:00patriots there. I love the ICE agents. I

35:02worked with them for that year. Tough

35:04individuals. They got a tough mission.

35:05But remember, that is your nonuniformed

35:10immigration officers, the ones that go

35:12into jails and arrest known criminals,

35:15uh, long-term investigations. They're

35:17your plain closed detectives. Tucker,

35:20would you send New York City police

35:23detectives into the most violent

35:25situation that New York has ever faced

35:27and said, "Well, you know, you're going

35:28to go tackle violent street crime now

35:31and our uniform police officers are

35:33going to stand by and do something

35:34else."

35:34>> No. Absolutely not. Well, that's what's

35:36happening right now.

35:37>> So, when did Border Patrol stop policing

35:40the interior of the country for illegal

35:42immigration?

35:43>> Well, most recently it was our surrender

35:45in Minnesota, but before that, you have

35:48to remember the US Border Patrol had

35:50interior border patrol stations.

35:52>> Yes.

35:52>> Places like Little Rock, Arkansas,

35:54Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Amarillo,

35:57Texas, Dallas, Texas, all over the

35:59interior. It was because they were that

36:02interior

36:04immigration force when needed uh to go

36:07in and pacify a region, an area or a

36:09city so that them, those planecloed

36:12detectives who do a great job could then

36:15take a pacified area and keep it

36:17pacified. That's what this that's the

36:19way that whole thing has worked for 102

36:21years. That's been upended. That doesn't

36:23happen now. Why is that?

36:26>> Well, [snorts] you tell me. Why is that?

36:28When did that stop? uh Minnesota, you

36:31know, the great I call it the great

36:32surrender. The great surrender in

36:34Minnesota when Commissioner Rodney Scott

36:37and Tom Holman decided to come in.

36:39>> And who are they? Uh that's exact

36:41customs and border patrol commissioner

36:43Rodney Scott.

36:44>> And what's his background?

36:46>> Uh Border Patrol. Career Border Patrol.

36:48>> Okay.

36:48>> Career board should know should know

36:50what the Border Patrol is to be used

36:51for.

36:52>> And Tom Hman is who?

36:54>> He's our borders are uh a prior ICE

36:58official. spent his whole year with ICE.

36:59I believe he was a Border Patrol agent

37:01for about a year and then jumped on over

37:03to uh to the plane closed division

37:05there. So, you've got those two

37:07individuals that remember they were

37:10silent, completely silent for that year

37:13when those border patrol agents were

37:15battling it out in a two-front war in

37:18those cities. A two-front war. What's a

37:19two-front war? battling the bad people

37:21and bad things, the cartels and the

37:23illegal aliens and the criminals and

37:26then battling the Pritzers, the Nuomes,

37:29the Mayor Basses and the politicians.

37:33Where were they during that year? But

37:35then Minnesota all of a sudden they show

37:38up and say, "Hey, we're here to save the

37:39day in Minnesota." What was saving the

37:42day? Surrendering interior enforcement.

37:44They surrendered. That was saving the

37:46day. So, your interior enforcement

37:49stopped the day the border patrol was

37:51sent out of Minnesota.

37:53>> That was a decision that the president

37:55made.

37:56>> And I I you know, I can't say that was

37:59his decision because he didn't the

38:01president didn't consult with me on

38:02that. I understood that it was his

38:04>> Well, he announced it anyway.

38:06>> Well, he announced they were they were

38:07coming to Minnesota.

38:08>> Yeah. Um, you know, I think it's the

38:10president's team

38:12that has that conspiracy not

38:16to to conduct interior enforcement. It's

38:19that team. I think he gets some bad

38:21information. He's got some hellacious

38:23gatekeepers. I don't give him much

38:24credit for doing anything immigration

38:26related because they're doing nothing.

38:28But talking about a gatekeeper, in other

38:30words, someone that can control that

38:32information flow to the big man, they do

38:36one hell of a job. They're doing nothing

38:38really for immigration enforcement in

38:41inside the United States.

38:42>> No, it's some targeted enforcement. You

38:44hear an operation here, an operation

38:47there. There was one in Maryland. I

38:49think they had 1,200 arrests last uh

38:51last week. Something like that. What

38:53what that is is that's we're going to do

38:56an operation, spread that, splash that

38:58across the headlines and gaslight

39:01America into thinking that's what we do

39:03every single day all across the United

39:05States when nothing could be further

39:07from the truth. Walk out on the street

39:09and look. Walk out on the street. Walk

39:11to a Home Depot and take a look at

39:13what's in the parking lot of Home Depot.

39:15Does it look like there's mass

39:16deportations and interior enforcement

39:18occurring? Absolutely not. Because let

39:20me tell you, the illegal aliens sure

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40:44portrayal in American political history

40:46because the whole Trump campaign of 2016

40:50and 2024 were about immigration and

40:53about reducing the number of illegal

40:55aliens in the country like that that was

40:57the whole campaign.

40:59So how many just let's just bottom line

41:01it if we can't I mean again to to the

41:03extent that we can know these numbers

41:06how many illegal aliens residing in the

41:08United States the day Trump was sworn in

41:10would you say

41:12>> uh for the sec for the second term I

41:13would say the 107 million then

41:15>> and how many now would you say there

41:16were in the country

41:18>> 105 million because Christine and the US

41:21border patrol did cause those

41:23self-deportations to occur during that

41:25year lines at the airport going south

41:29Like you wouldn't believe that's not

41:30happening now.

41:31>> You think so? You think there are about

41:33one and a half million self-

41:34deepportations?

41:35>> Approx. Approximately. Yes.

41:37>> How many deportations by force? [snorts]

41:41>> 5 to 600,000? Maybe.

41:43>> Maybe. Okay. So, you think that after

41:46all of that and all the drama that

41:49ensued that there are still 105 million

41:53illegal aliens in the United States

41:54right now?

41:55>> Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. 105

41:58solid. Could be more than that even.

42:00Ducker,

42:00>> does anyone else know this?

42:02>> You know, um cuz if you got a population

42:04of 330, 340 million and 105 million

42:09illegal aliens, I mean, that's like the

42:12craziest number I've ever heard. You

42:14really think that's the real number?

42:15Absolutely. And you know, I guess you

42:17would know, right? Cuz you ran Border

42:18Patrol. Yeah. And one, seeing what's

42:21coming across the border and then

42:22juxtaposing that with what we saw in the

42:24cities and regions we were in. And then

42:27even taking a look at some of the

42:29numbers, something as simple as a a

42:31traffic pattern. Charlotte, North

42:33Carolina's got a fantastic example. Take

42:35a look at commuters going to work.

42:38Commuters going to work in Charlotte.

42:39When we arrived for that 5-day

42:40operation, Operation Charlotte's Web,

42:43the commute went from terrible to

42:47exceptional. So, we started doing some

42:48studies. I had the staff, hey, do a

42:50study on the traffic. Let's extrapolate

42:52some numbers. What does it take to have

42:54an exceptional commute to work? To do

42:57that, you need to remove about 30

42:59approximately 30 35% of the commuters.

43:04And they took it took a look at the

43:06number of commuters going I think it was

43:09yeah I want to say around 200,000 I

43:12can't remember the exact number now but

43:1430% what does that 30% equal? starts

43:17equaling that 107 million which is you

43:21know a similar percentage of the

43:23American population. What is that? Um

43:26you know 25% of the American population.

43:28So we looked at the commuters. Then we

43:30looked at absentee rates from Charlotte

43:32and Meckllinburgg schools.

43:3430%

43:36of students didn't show up in Charlotte

43:38Meckllinburgg. What does that start

43:40looking like? Look starts looking like

43:42the 107 million is a pretty accurate

43:43figure. We saw the same thing in

43:45Chicago. The same thing in Los Angeles.

43:47Los Angeles, that commute went from

43:51terrible to better than exceptional. How

43:54many commuters did we take off the take

43:56out of the the equation in Los Angeles

43:59to make that drive in America's worst

44:02worst traffic

44:05gettingon to make it really good? And

44:07they're like, "Wow, these commutes

44:08really good." Think about what that

44:10took. So, so we have a crowded poor

44:12country, which we do because of illegal

44:15immigration is what you're saying.

44:16>> I'm Yes, I am saying that 100%. I think

44:19that a majority of our problems are

44:22downstream of immigration, whether it's

44:24something as simple as a commute to

44:25work, but something more insiduous and

44:28more important such as affordability for

44:31housing for our young people. 107

44:33million people in our country, what does

44:35that do to housing? What does that do to

44:37welfare, jail, schools, hospitals? Um,

44:39what does that do to any service that an

44:43American citizen should think they have

44:46access to? It oludes it. Excludes it to

44:49the point where they don't have it. Take

44:50a look at our natural resources. I'm a

44:52big natural resource guy. I'm a

44:54conservationist.

44:54>> I am too.

44:56>> Look at what's happening to our natural

44:57resources. We had Teddy Roosevelt and

44:59Gford Pincho and they started that

45:02conservation movement along with

45:03Americans. That conservation movement's

45:06over a hundred years old now. It's been

45:08destroyed in many areas of the country

45:11in 10 years. A 100red years of

45:13conservation destroyed in 10 years.

45:15Entire ecosystems wiped out by illegal

45:17aliens. Look at the jinseng harvest in

45:20our eastern forests. Many of those poor

45:23mountain families from where I'm from

45:25there in the Appalachin Mountains

45:26harvested jinseng for hundreds of years

45:29since Daniel boom all the way to the

45:31mid1 1990s. They can't do that anymore.

45:34>> Why?

45:34>> It's been stripped. That jins sang has

45:37been stripped from those mountains by

45:39illegal aliens. Hey, you know what?

45:41Let's drop off 15 illegal aliens. We'll

45:44scour the entire mountain side, take

45:47every single bit of it in a

45:48nonsustainable harvest

45:50>> and take it off. But that's everything.

45:52>> I'm getting too upset. [laughter]

45:53>> Hey, hey, but Tucker, that's not just

45:55Jyn saying that's everything. So, I did

45:57a research paper on that back in 2012.

46:00They wouldn't let me publish it in the

46:01Border Patrol. It was destruction of our

46:03nation's natural resources by illegal

46:05aliens. Wouldn't let me publish it.

46:07>> Let me publish it. Why?

46:08>> You said it was too controversial. It

46:10told the truth. So, uh,

46:12>> it was too controversial for a border

46:13patrol agent to note that illegal

46:16immigration was destroying our natural

46:17resources.

46:18>> Imagine that. Yes. I tried several

46:21times.

46:21>> Just national suicide. That's obviously.

46:23>> Yeah. You bet. So, every facet of our

46:26our natural resources are under attack.

46:28You know, look, we're having water

46:30problems out west. Uh, they're telling

46:33us we're running out of water.

46:34>> We're running out of water. They're

46:35telling us we may have rolling blackouts

46:37because we don't have enough

46:38electricity. Everything is downstream of

46:40immigration. No pun intended, but the

46:42water problem out west. We can fix that.

46:46Oh, in about two years. Deport 107

46:49million of those illegal aliens taking

46:51your and my water and my resources.

46:54Problem solved. Where's Sierra Club?

46:56Hey, where's all the environmental

46:58groups? They don't seem to really care

46:59now all of a sudden. you know, I guess

47:00that's okay. You know, if it's illegal

47:02aliens, you're not, you know, not a

47:04problem. If Tucker Carlson or Greg

47:06Bavino drops a little bit of oil, you

47:08know, out of your car on the pavement,

47:10my god, uh, hells to pay. It's called

47:12the, uh, uh, the DSP, the double

47:15standard phenomenon, which is also rife

47:18in America. The double standard

47:19phenomenal aliens get a they get a pass.

47:23You don't because you're one of those

47:25dastasterly American citizens who is

47:28apparently uh the devil to the world but

47:30an illegal alien that actually uses

47:32those resources and hurt your culture,

47:35your species.

47:37That's okay. See it every day and I

47:39think you do too.

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49:01love it. The I just can't get past the

49:03betrayal of all of this. There are still

49:06105 and I think if you were to pull

49:08Trump voters and ask and I think a lot

49:11of them would say I'm disappointed by

49:12this or that but the one upside is

49:15immigration enforcement. I think if you

49:17told them that there are 105 million

49:20illegal aliens not green card holders

49:23illegal aliens have no right to be here

49:25living here in violation of the law and

49:26living in almost all cases on public

49:31support. I mean, whether it's schools,

49:34roads, hospitals, or direct support from

49:37the states, I think they wouldn't even

49:39believe you. I think Trump voters really

49:41think that the administration's done a

49:43great job on immigration because Fox

49:45News has told them that.

49:46>> Yeah. The gaslighting masterclass.

49:49>> Really masterass. Give me an example.

49:52>> Well, again, the operations that they

49:54conduct, hey, you know what? Um, largest

49:57amount of illegal aliens or largest

49:59amount of aliens deported.

50:02uh you know in the past 50 years just

50:04took place last week. Hey, what are the

50:06numbers? I can't seem to get the

50:07numbers. Your social media influencers

50:10can't seem to get the numbers, but

50:11they're sure touting the numbers out

50:12there. And what are the numbers? I

50:15haven't seen the numbers. If this is

50:18really happening, then how is it that

50:21250 border patrol agents on those

50:24interior operations pretty much shut

50:26down large sections of the country where

50:28we didn't see an illegal alien? They

50:30weren't going to hospitals, jails,

50:32schools, or anything else because they

50:34were either self-deporting or buttoning

50:36up. That's not happening now. So, if

50:40what you say is really taking place, you

50:42would see the effects. Every American

50:44citizen would see the effects like they

50:46saw it over that past year during

50:48Operation Large, Operation Midway Blitz,

50:50Charlotte's Web, Operation Catahula

50:52Crunch, and then the surrender in

50:54Minnesota. You would see that. You would

50:56see it with your own eyes. You know,

50:57it's not some ethereal concept to you

51:00can see that kind of thing with your own

51:02eyes. And American citizens that come up

51:04to us on the streets, came up to us on

51:06the streets and come up to me on the

51:07streets now, they say, "Gosh, it sure

51:10was a different story when you guys were

51:12out when the Mean Green team was out

51:14there on the streets taking it to them.

51:16Wow, everything was different. We

51:19finally had hope. You're not getting

51:21that now from people that are actually

51:25up against illegal immigration. Most

51:27especially, and this is key here, our

51:29young people, those young conservatives.

51:32Wow. Now, there are a bunch of

51:35individuals that are seeing this. I get

51:38more comments

51:40and more uh more rhetoric from them than

51:44anybody I have ever seen. They are not

51:47happy. their future they understand is

51:49being taken taken away. It has been

51:51taken away. And you know, Tucker,

51:53something very powerful here. One of

51:54those young uh young conservatives came

51:57up to me and said, you know, we've only

51:59heard stories of America. We've only

52:02heard the story of America. I'm like,

52:05what do you mean the story of America?

52:07We are America. There's no story. He

52:09goes, we don't know what America is.

52:11People like you tell us what America

52:13people like Tucker say, this is what

52:15America used to be like. We've only

52:17heard the story of America. That was the

52:19most powerful thing I've ever heard uh

52:22being a border patrol agent is this

52:24young person that doesn't even know what

52:25real America is because it's been taken

52:27from them. A lot of it through illegal

52:30immigration. And um you know, they

52:32better wake up. Some of these people

52:34that have betrayed us, some of those

52:37gatekeepers that I just talked to better

52:39wake up because there's a lot of

52:40pissed-off people out there, especially

52:42the young. They did a big part in

52:44ensuring that there was somebody in

52:47office that would take care of

52:48immigration. Very unhappy campers right

52:50now and I don't blame them a bit. They

52:52should be unhappy and they are

52:55sharpening spears dancing around the

52:57campfire right now.

52:58>> They have every reason to. Um, one

53:01measure of border security is the

53:04presence of narcotics that are

53:05manufactured outside the country. And co

53:07cocaine is one that um, cocaine is a

53:09pretty good measure because we don't

53:11grow cocoa here. So all cocaine, at

53:13least the the base, cocaine base, comes

53:15from outside the country, comes from the

53:17Andes. So in 1985, the average cost of a

53:21gram of highly impure cocaine, majority

53:24baby laxative cocaine, was $100 a gram

53:27and you had to drive to some sketchy

53:28area and roll down your window and buy

53:29it and risk your life. The price now in

53:33many American cities, particularly in

53:34Texas, is $50 a gram for almost totally

53:37pure cocaine that you can have delivered

53:38to your house within like 10 minutes. No

53:40risk.

53:42So that tells me that we don't have

53:45secure borders. If the price of cocaine,

53:47and that's not adjusted for inflation.

53:49Those are just the straight numbers.

53:51$100 in 1985, $50 now. So that's like I

53:54don't even know what the inflation

53:55adjustment would be, but that's like $5

53:58a gram, you know, in 1985.

54:03Clearly, we're not keeping drugs out,

54:05right? Exactly. Exactly. And that's

54:08where those mass deportations are so

54:10very important. That 107 105 million is

54:13so very important. We saw that in those

54:15cities. Look at the double-digit drops

54:17in crime in those cities. When those

54:19cocaine traffickers, when those those

54:22human traffickers, whatever traffickers

54:24couldn't traffic anymore, doubledigit

54:27drops in crime. When you take a We're

54:29not taking away the the people that use

54:31it. A lot of those are American citizens

54:33dumb enough to to do that kind of thing.

54:35But we're just going to remove everyone

54:38that traffics it that knows it's being

54:40trafficked has anything to do with with

54:41it being trafficked. We're just going to

54:43do away with them. Um I think he did

54:45start out really good. He was blowing

54:47some some drug boats up. The fentanyl

54:49fentanyl kills a lot of people. That's

54:50terrible stuff. Just like cocaine and

54:52anything else. Hey, that was good. That

54:54was taking place simultaneously with us

54:57in those cities taking it to the illegal

54:59aliens. Hey, that gave me hope. I was

55:01like, "Well, they're actually bombing

55:03boats in the water." Well, if you're

55:05going to take away Border Patrol from in

55:07the interior, are you really going to be

55:09that serious? Are you going to bomb a

55:11boat and do what Rodney Scott and Tom

55:13Holman do, do it one time, splash it

55:15across the headlines and say, "Yeah,

55:16we're really taking it to them." And you

55:18did one time.

55:19>> So, I'm a little bit confused. So,

55:21Homeman, who I've interviewed several

55:23times,

55:24says he's very against illegal

55:27immigration and has a pistol and a ankle

55:30holster and kind of seems [snorts] like

55:32a rough and ready, no BS kind of guy

55:36who's dedicated his life to fighting

55:37ille illegal immigration. You worked

55:39with him. Tell us, is that is that an

55:41accurate picture?

55:43You you know I'll tell you when you're

55:46going to lead an effort to do something

55:49like that

55:50>> inevitably and it's a musto you better

55:54have your ass out there on the front

55:55lines with your people bleeding next to

55:59them especially in the most violent law

56:04enforcement domestic law enforcement

56:06mission that's faced the US in its

56:08history the most. And I'm I'm even

56:10including prohibition in this one now.

56:12Um, where were these individuals during

56:16that year of

56:19pure unadulterated violence?

56:22I didn't see him. Where was Commissioner

56:24Rodney Scott missing an action? Where

56:27was Where was Tom Holman? Nice guy. Fun

56:30guy to talk to. Probably a great guy to

56:32have a whiskey with. Where was he? Ankle

56:35holster and all. Um, where were they?

56:38You better get your butt out there with

56:40your people. Bleed and be ready to make

56:43that ultimate sacrifice next to them.

56:45You're not too good. You're not too good

56:47to do that. None of you are. You better

56:50get out there and do that. So, I would

56:51pose that question back to you as my

56:53answer is, well, where were they? I

56:56never saw them. Not saw not once. Never

56:58even heard from them. Never had a

56:59conversation. Nothing. Silence.

57:02But they're not silent now. Uh, still

57:05not out there, but not silent. um more

57:08of a we're gonna take a soft approach. I

57:11guess maybe that's the the

57:12>> What does that mean? A soft approach.

57:15>> A soft approach means we're not going to

57:17be out there doing those general

57:19immigration raids. We're not going to

57:21conduct total spectrum immigration

57:23enforcement, which is what you have to

57:25do if you're going to win this battle.

57:27Total spectrum immigration. That means

57:29everything brought to bear against that

57:32enemy. In other words, we're talking

57:33about the war being fought on American

57:34soil. It's going to take a an effort

57:36like that. a total warfare. What they're

57:39talking about is a limited form of

57:42enforcement. Sort of like World War II

57:44versus Vietnam. What do we do in

57:47Vietnam? Well, you know, we're going to

57:48do some precision limited strikes here

57:50and we're not going to go total warfare

57:52and we're going to lose. Whereas World

57:55War II, total spectrum warfare. Whatever

57:58it takes, we do. So, that's what the

58:01soft approach is, is we're going to do a

58:03precision strike. Hey, a precision a

58:05precision strike. Tucker's never won a

58:07war, by the way. It won't. Let's do a

58:10precision strike there in Maryland. They

58:12did that last week. They got some good

58:13apprehensions as those ICE agents are

58:15the greatest. Love them. They're like

58:17border of a patriots. But that'll never

58:21win 105 million illegal aliens. You have

58:24to do something else. You're not going

58:26to put handcuffs on 105 million people.

58:29We've only got two years left to do

58:30that, by the way.

58:31>> [snorts]

58:32>> You need to encourage and mandate those

58:35self-deportations

58:37and those largecale efforts that it's

58:40going to take. It won't be neat, clean,

58:42and easy. Of course, it's not. We never

58:44said it would be. That's what you have

58:46to do. A soft approach is the opposite

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59:23Why not just enforce

59:26ID laws? Like, we have AI. So, like, how

59:29does anybody have a fake social security

59:30card or a fake driver's license?

59:33And yet, millions, tens of millions of

59:35people do. I I don't think I could get

59:38away with that. How were they allowed to

59:40get away with that?

59:41>> DSP, double standard phenomenon. It is

59:43alive and well in this country. Um, it

59:46it's one of those uninforced laws.

59:48>> But if you had a fake social security

59:51card and tried to open a bank account, I

59:54think you'd risk jail for that, right?

59:57>> Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. But

59:59who's going to go after an illegal alien

1:00:02for that? When

1:00:03>> I don't know, the Trump administration,

1:00:04was he just elected to do this? Didn't

1:00:06he get the majority of the popular vote

1:00:07to do this?

1:00:08>> Yes. Absolutely.

1:00:10>> That's not violent. You're not shooting

1:00:11anybody. It's like you can't use fake

1:00:12federal documents. I'm not allowed to

1:00:14use fake federal No, I'm serious. Like,

1:00:16why is that? How can you get on an

1:00:17airplane if you're here illegally? I

1:00:20mean, they facial recognition at the

1:00:22freaking airport. Like, we're all

1:00:23totally monitored at all times. So, if

1:00:25you've got 105 illegal aliens in your

1:00:27country, someone wants them there.

1:00:28Someone in power like Donald Trump or

1:00:30whomever is making these decisions.

1:00:32Like, what is this? Yes. What is this?

1:00:35It's a farce. It is a farce. It's a

1:00:38farce. It's a slap in the face. And, you

1:00:41know, it's uh but we can still win it.

1:00:43Here's the thing, though. We can still

1:00:46win this. Well, you've got two years

1:00:48because the second I mean Democrats are

1:00:50about to take power in two months and at

1:00:52that point the chances that and you know

1:00:55you think Republicans going to win in

1:00:572028. I mean after this war in Iran. No.

1:01:00So you're going to they're all going to

1:01:01be legalized. That's it. And then you're

1:01:03just it's a totally different country

1:01:04for

1:01:04>> done. You're if that happens done every

1:01:07American.

1:01:07>> But how is that not going to happen?

1:01:08>> Well, we can still do it. We can still

1:01:11do it. Look, we've proof concepted how

1:01:15to do this in in the in the interior.

1:01:18One of the US Border Patrol leading

1:01:20efforts in the we the proof concepts

1:01:22there. It's just on a much larger scale.

1:01:25It's also bringing ma and pa America

1:01:28into the fight. Bringing the taxpayer

1:01:29into the fight. Remember that was

1:01:32something in our strategy that was well

1:01:36in motion. You've got to bring them into

1:01:38the fight. everyday citizens like a

1:01:40victory garden in World War II. We're

1:01:42going to do our part.

1:01:43>> But they think they've already won.

1:01:45They've been told by the administration

1:01:47and Fox News that you know that this is

1:01:49the upside of Trump. All the downsides

1:01:51is the upside. You got what you wanted

1:01:53out of immigration. Yeah. Well, I'm here

1:01:55to say um sorely mistaken and uh

1:01:58absolutely not. Um you've got you you've

1:02:02got you scratched the surface, but look

1:02:05around. you look around and see what

1:02:07that's like out on the streets. Look at

1:02:10what look at what our African-Americans

1:02:12are facing in those cities. I get so

1:02:14many calls for from conservative blacks

1:02:17saying

1:02:18>> you did the please come back to Chicago

1:02:21or LA or wherever because that was the

1:02:24only first and only time that our

1:02:27community is really truly

1:02:30had any assistance from from from

1:02:32anybody. They

1:02:33>> no one in charge cares about black

1:02:34people. They all absolutely

1:02:35>> their schools have been destroyed. The

1:02:36murder rate's out of control. They're

1:02:38being replaced by illegal aliens. And

1:02:39literally nobody cares.

1:02:40>> Nobody nobody cares. And their families

1:02:42have been here for 350 years. And nobody

1:02:44cares.

1:02:45>> Nobody gives a damn. Nobody gives a damn

1:02:46about that. But you know what I tell

1:02:47you? Pritser, Governor Pritser there in

1:02:51in Illinois, he had a he once we started

1:02:53in fourth ward and some of those wards

1:02:56and the black folks came out and were

1:02:58supporting us, you could tell they were

1:03:00getting a little edgy. They were like,

1:03:01uhoh, hey, they're on to something, you

1:03:03know. And what a great what a great

1:03:06story for a Holman or a Rodney Scott if

1:03:11they're going to sit back in a a safe

1:03:13seat in DC to talk about silence.

1:03:17Silence your own citizens coming out in

1:03:20force to support the US Border Patrol of

1:03:23all people of all people. And what a

1:03:27story. What a miss. What a miss by that

1:03:29bunch of gate guards. Unbelievable. Who

1:03:31are who are the gay guards? Uh, two of

1:03:34them there I've mentioned. Yeah. Two

1:03:35fantastic ones there. Like they're

1:03:36fantastic. Um, at guarding the gate.

1:03:39>> At guarding the gate. Guarding that

1:03:40information. You bet. I think if Trump

1:03:43knew what you and I were talking about,

1:03:45you know, I think if you or I could sit

1:03:47across from him and say, "Hey, here's

1:03:49the real deal that you haven't been

1:03:51getting, I think. You know what? I think

1:03:55he would actually reverse course."

1:03:58Because, and the reason I say this is

1:03:59look at what we did that first year once

1:04:02we started. Hey, we got calls from

1:04:04Trump. He called the Border Patrol. He

1:04:05called us. Man, you guys are doing

1:04:07great. Kick their ass. We've got your

1:04:10back. Kick butt. We're going to take

1:04:12this thing. He said that gate guards

1:04:16come in, you know. So, I think Caesar

1:04:18was probably up against that uh there

1:04:21many thousands of years ago. Same thing.

1:04:23You can see the the jackles and the hea.

1:04:26They always come in, nip at the nip at

1:04:29the the the tendons. And I think that's

1:04:31what happened. I think that if he was to

1:04:33hear what was really going on, hear what

1:04:35[snorts] Americans are thinking and

1:04:36saying, hearing those young people out

1:04:39there, and then hearing some of the

1:04:40conspiracies that have actually taken

1:04:42place under his watch by those

1:04:44individuals, he'd be like, "Wow, wait a

1:04:47second." Like what?

1:04:49>> Well, you know, uh, surrender in

1:04:51Minnesota. You know, um, people say,

1:04:53"Hey, Buffina, you retired."

1:04:56I did. I retired. That neat, clean, and

1:04:59easy. I was just a little tired and

1:05:01decided to retire. Hey, Tucker, I got

1:05:03some gas in the tank. There's a

1:05:04retirement there. If they want you gone,

1:05:06if those gate guards want you gone, you

1:05:09better watch out. They'll come for you.

1:05:11They will come for you. They'll come for

1:05:13your retirement. They'll come for

1:05:14everything. And um,

1:05:16>> did that happen to you?

1:05:17>> Absolutely. Every bit of the way. Every

1:05:18bit of the way. You know, when you play

1:05:20a hard game, you can expect hard

1:05:22treatments. I get that. But not a

1:05:25two-front war. Hard treatment should be

1:05:26me and the criminals.

1:05:29Not the two-front war of me and the

1:05:31folks that are supposedly your friends.

1:05:34You know, the minute I get the minute I

1:05:36the minute I left,

1:05:38security detail gets pulled. I'm that

1:05:41one of the highest, if not the highest

1:05:42threats in DHS, death threats. I mean,

1:05:45you name it, man, they're coming. Hey,

1:05:48take that kind of security detail. We're

1:05:49going to shut that guy up. Stroke of

1:05:52midnight came. Those Border Patrol

1:05:54agents refused to leave my house.

1:05:57And I had to direct order. Hey, no.

1:06:00You're you're you're leaving cuz I'm not

1:06:02in the Border Patrol anymore. And you

1:06:05know what? I knew this. I didn't say

1:06:06that to them. They'll come for you also.

1:06:09They'll come for you also. So the

1:06:11administration Yeah. Absolutely. Yes.

1:06:14You bet. But Anthony Fouchy still has

1:06:19federal security. We're paying Anthony

1:06:20Fouchi's security detail. He doesn't

1:06:22work for the government anymore. He

1:06:23spent the whole life on the federal tit

1:06:26and he still has Secret Service

1:06:29protection. Anthony Fouchy

1:06:32um who committed crimes. But you don't

1:06:35because the administration didn't want

1:06:37you want you to have security. Why? I

1:06:39>> I think to silence me because

1:06:41>> silence you like get you killed because

1:06:42that's what it sounds like. Do I think

1:06:44they want me dead at this point? Yes.

1:06:46I'm in a running battle every time I go

1:06:49out. I mean, every time. The citizens of

1:06:51my own community are like, "What is

1:06:54going on with you? These people come.

1:06:55There's some crazies out there. You

1:06:57know, you know this, Tucker. And you

1:06:59bet. Do I think they want me killed?"

1:07:01Absolutely. You know,

1:07:03>> the administration.

1:07:03>> Yeah. Absolutely. Or or more of the gate

1:07:05guards. I I don't think Trump would. I

1:07:07think if Trump knew what they had done

1:07:09and what they would do to Border Patrol

1:07:11agents or ICE officers or anyone that

1:07:13disagrees with them, I think he would

1:07:15have an absolute panic attack or a heart

1:07:18attack over something like that.

1:07:20>> But you think Homeman wants you gone

1:07:21dead?

1:07:22>> I think Rodney Scott, he's the one that

1:07:23took my security detail away with with

1:07:25Homeman there. Yeah, absolutely. You

1:07:26bet.

1:07:27>> Why?

1:07:28>> Uh, you know, that's a pretty heavy

1:07:30thing to say. And if I wasn't from

1:07:32Washington, I probably wouldn't believe

1:07:33you, but I do believe you since I am.

1:07:36>> Sure. Well, you know, I wouldn't have

1:07:37believed it either, but um with what was

1:07:40coming at me the minute I retired, I

1:07:43thought, well, yeah, I'll probably get

1:07:44some security there. You know, they're

1:07:46coming after other family members as

1:07:49well.

1:07:49>> Your family members?

1:07:50>> Absolutely. Through the mail. Uh there

1:07:53was one point where the FBI had to to

1:07:55intercept every single piece of mail

1:07:57because there were some bad things

1:07:59coming in the mail, that kind of thing.

1:08:01And just the vast amount of death

1:08:03threats. I got doxed yesterday by WBTV

1:08:05channel 3 in Charlotte, North Carolina.

1:08:08And

1:08:09>> in what way?

1:08:10>> Uh trying to name home addresses. They

1:08:12got the

1:08:13>> actually Oh, yes. Yes, you bet. Now,

1:08:16I've got a different address with my

1:08:18girlfriend out out at a different place.

1:08:20But they did do that. And when that

1:08:23happens over and over and over,

1:08:24>> what can you reame the channel again?

1:08:26>> A WBTV channel 3. Why would it be part

1:08:30of the news gathering process to put

1:08:33your home address on a TV channel?

1:08:37>> You know, I think that uh that's

1:08:38something that we saw in those cities

1:08:43with an absolute outofcontrol

1:08:46uh so-called news media. They're not a

1:08:48news media. Now, when they do things

1:08:49like they're not a news media, they're a

1:08:51a propaganda arm.

1:08:54>> They're an enforcement arm at that

1:08:55point.

1:08:56>> An intimidation arm. You bet. But the

1:08:58only problem is I'm not I'm not

1:09:00intimidated. I wouldn't be here talking

1:09:01to you. Uh hey, they tried to take my

1:09:03legal representation away or probably

1:09:05already who did.

1:09:06>> Uh that was Homman and the gate guards.

1:09:09Your legal representation. In other

1:09:10words, if you're sued for actions taken

1:09:15in your official capacity at Border

1:09:17Patrol, you don't get legal

1:09:20representation. You're supposed to

1:09:21absolutely. If it was under the

1:09:23performance of your duties under the

1:09:24color of law and you weren't doing

1:09:26something illegal,

1:09:26>> right? Yeah. then absolutely every

1:09:29minute of the day. But um apparently

1:09:31others don't see it that way.

1:09:33>> How do you know that?

1:09:34>> You know, I got a call from a another

1:09:36Border Patrol chief, a retired chief who

1:09:37got a call from them saying, "Hey, if

1:09:40you don't stop, we're taking it away."

1:09:43>> Stop what?

1:09:44>> Stop coming on Tucker Carlson. And

1:09:46>> pointing out that there's still 105

1:09:48million illegal aliens in the country.

1:09:50>> You bet. And um

1:09:51>> Homeman did that.

1:09:52>> Uh uh his people. Yeah, I can't say he

1:09:56did. his people. Yes. You bet.

1:10:00>> Again, I've interviewed the guy a number

1:10:02of times. I hope he'll come back. I'd

1:10:03love to ask him about this.

1:10:04>> Absolutely. Yeah. May maybe that would

1:10:07uh hell, I'd like to ask him about it.

1:10:09>> Have you talked to him since you left?

1:10:10>> No.

1:10:12>> So, I'd love to put a finer point. I

1:10:14mean, first of all, what you said is

1:10:15shocking. Everything you've said is

1:10:16shocking. Um, and really, really

1:10:19distressing and dark. If you think

1:10:21Homeman and this other guy want you

1:10:23dead, I mean, that's like that's

1:10:25unbelievable.

1:10:26>> No, proof's in the pudding.

1:10:27>> I think that's fair. But why? I'd love

1:10:31to know a little more precisely why

1:10:32they're so mad at you. [sighs]

1:10:35I think when we have big labor or I'm

1:10:38sorry, cheap labor politicians who are a

1:10:41very powerful force. I didn't realize

1:10:43they were this power. Very powerful

1:10:45force.

1:10:46um that puts a lot of pressure on some

1:10:49individuals and some individuals may

1:10:51maybe they want the lucrative contracts

1:10:53also. I don't I don't know. I can't say

1:10:54that for sure. But there's something

1:10:57there behind the scenes that causes that

1:10:59to happen. It doesn't just happen just

1:11:01for the hell of it. Let's have Bo dead.

1:11:03>> But not cuz voters want it. Voters

1:11:05wanted [clears throat] to get back to

1:11:07the sort of pre- lunatic American

1:11:10population.

1:11:11>> They don't want to live in a crowded

1:11:13poor country. Who wants that? Nobody

1:11:14wants to live in Bangladesh. So like

1:11:15this is nuts. And that's what voters

1:11:17wanted. That's why they elected Trump.

1:11:18That and no new foreign wars. And then

1:11:20the donors convinced Trump to fight a

1:11:23foreign war that voters did not want.

1:11:25And it sounds like don don donors also

1:11:29pushed Trump to stop immigration

1:11:31enforcement.

1:11:31>> Yes. You think that's true?

1:11:32>> I do. Absolutely. You bet. Um, I mean,

1:11:36look at some of the the politicians that

1:11:37came out against me or Christine Nome

1:11:40specifically after the surrender in

1:11:43Minnesota, the Kennedys out of out of

1:11:45Louisiana. McCall Representative McCall

1:11:48out of Texas.

1:11:50>> Yes. Why would they say those things?

1:11:52Like,

1:11:53>> what did McCall say?

1:11:54>> And I believe he said that we were um

1:11:56out of control and too aggressive,

1:11:59something like that.

1:12:00>> Do you find it interesting? So McCall is

1:12:02is a a a tool of the intel agencies, I

1:12:05happen to know. And I and I mean that

1:12:07and I hope he'll come on and explain how

1:12:09I'm wrong, but he knows I'm not wrong

1:12:10because I've talked to him about it

1:12:11directly. But I I have noticed a

1:12:14connection between the people who are

1:12:15like not very loyal to the United States

1:12:18and very into fighting wars on behalf of

1:12:21other nations. They're also very against

1:12:23immigration enforcement. I've noticed

1:12:25that. Have you noticed that?

1:12:26>> I have. And some of the people I and

1:12:28I've noticed that over my career some

1:12:30people that I would think, "Oh, they're

1:12:31going to be good on immigration." The

1:12:33worst. I remember when when Bush was

1:12:35elected, we were rejoicing in the

1:12:37patrol. We thought, "Oh, man. This is

1:12:38going to be great. He was just as bad as

1:12:40Bill Ray Clinton." Or worse,

1:12:42>> of course.

1:12:42>> Worse again, the two-f frontont war,

1:12:45stabbing you in the back while you're

1:12:46out fighting bad guys. Same thing now,

1:12:48except worse. even worse than

1:12:50>> but Bush was this very much like this

1:12:53administration, you know, spent all of

1:12:55its time, all of its our money, all of

1:12:57their energy fighting a war in the

1:12:59Middle East and then therefore changing

1:13:02the American population with illegal

1:13:03immigration at the same time.

1:13:05>> It's so weird. I don't understand the

1:13:07connection. All of it is bad for

1:13:09America. Maybe that's the connection. Um

1:13:11Tucker, this is in my opinion, of

1:13:14course,

1:13:15>> the greatest issue and greatest threat

1:13:17that our nation has faced since its

1:13:19founding. Of course, and I'm including

1:13:20the Civil War in that. I think the Civil

1:13:22War is child's play compared to what

1:13:24we're facing now because

1:13:26>> this ends it all. 105 million illegal

1:13:30aliens get amnesty and start voting,

1:13:33which it appears that uh you know the

1:13:35the Thillis, Tom Tillis's uh the

1:13:38McCall's and the rest of that gang want

1:13:40that. Um when they start voting,

1:13:43everything's gone. If you think your

1:13:45Second Amendment's it's gone. That

1:13:46Second Amendment's gone. Everything's

1:13:48gone. Everything that you hold dear,

1:13:49your culture, your values, traditions,

1:13:51everything. They don't care. You know,

1:13:53Tucker, they don't care about your

1:13:55history, nor the Americans, American

1:13:56history, because that which is gi Robert

1:13:59Heinland said it the best. He wrote

1:14:01Starship Troopers. That which is given

1:14:04has no value. That which is given has no

1:14:07value. We just gave them citizenship.

1:14:10They will hate you for that. They'll

1:14:13abhore you for that. They do abhore us

1:14:15for that. You can already see it. The

1:14:16entitlement mentality, it's not an

1:14:18entitlement. They just hate Americans

1:14:21because we're stupid enough to do it.

1:14:23And when you give someone something like

1:14:26that, they don't care if your granddad

1:14:28died at Deoima or your great great great

1:14:31granddad at Gettysburg or maybe you had

1:14:33a ancestor that was a founding father.

1:14:35They could give a damn about that. They

1:14:37don't care. When that ceases to be a

1:14:40reality here in our country and you're

1:14:43in my country, you're done. Right now,

1:14:47we're at the precipice of the greatest

1:14:50of of either solving or bowing down to

1:14:53the greatest threat that we have ever

1:14:56faced since the founding.

1:14:59>> I strongly agree with that. Um it seems

1:15:02very obvious and that's why there's so

1:15:05little national cohesion.

1:15:07Um the upside, however, for the people

1:15:09in charge is an immigrant population is

1:15:12much easier to control.

1:15:14They don't believe that the Bill of

1:15:15Rights is real or applies to them. They

1:15:17don't have natural rights. They don't,

1:15:19no one's told them what that is. So, you

1:15:21can kind of do whatever you want to them

1:15:23and call yourself the hero of the story.

1:15:25And you see it with rich people and

1:15:27their housekeepers who all secretly hate

1:15:29them. But they're totally convinced

1:15:31that, you know, Catalina loves me. I'm

1:15:33the hero to her. Uh there is a kind of

1:15:36psychology,

1:15:38the rich white lady psychology around

1:15:40this question. of the Democratic

1:15:41plantation owners, the new plantation

1:15:43owners. And um that's the way they even

1:15:45act like it. These elitists, these

1:15:47French-le liberal socialists act like

1:15:49that. Uh like plantation owners. Oh, I

1:15:52know.

1:15:52>> Uh it's it's absolutely amazing the way

1:15:55what they do. And you talk about racist.

1:15:57Holy cow. They're the worst.

1:15:59>> Yep.

1:16:00>> Yeah. No, they I've seen it so much.

1:16:06So how did when Christine left was

1:16:09forced out

1:16:11uh and then replaced by one of the

1:16:14slowest famously one of the slowest but

1:16:16certainly one of the most liberal

1:16:18members of the United States Senate Mark

1:16:20Wayne Mullen which he is he's extremely

1:16:22liberal and because he's from Oklahoma

1:16:24like nobody seems to get that but he is

1:16:26particularly in immigration

1:16:28and foreign policy I mean it's like

1:16:30giving it to Lindsey Graham how did that

1:16:32h why would you put Mark Wayne Mullen

1:16:35a liberal, a Kla Harris liberal in that

1:16:39role.

1:16:40>> Exactly. I think when we talk about

1:16:43those donors, that donor class,

1:16:45>> uh, getting someone confirmed,

1:16:48>> why would you not put a liberal and

1:16:49you're going to get enough votes from

1:16:50the crazy Democrats,

1:16:53uh, and then you're going to get the

1:16:55support from the big labor rhinos,

1:16:58just like they did with Commissioner

1:17:00Rodney Scott. He sailed through the

1:17:01confirmation, folks. You know what? He's

1:17:03bringing back Biden era individuals into

1:17:06CBP right now as we speak. The ones that

1:17:09let the 30 million in.

1:17:10>> Actually, yo, you bet. Yes. Does the

1:17:13White House know this? You know, I don't

1:17:15think I again I think the gate guards

1:17:17keep it so guarded. I don't think they

1:17:18know.

1:17:19>> Steven Miller, I thought he was this

1:17:20big.

1:17:21>> I don't know. Hey, Stevie, you bet. You

1:17:22got some work to do there, buddy. Got

1:17:24some work to do there, Stevie. But, um,

1:17:26I'm just confused because wasn't this

1:17:28the issue that defined them? Yes. Yes,

1:17:32it was. So that's how that's how someone

1:17:37like a a Mark Mullen is put into a

1:17:41position like that. There are a certain

1:17:43class of people that love a Mullen. Hey,

1:17:46you know, Mullen, what is he listening

1:17:48to? He's listened to Tom Holman, Rodney

1:17:50Scott, worst of the worst in targeting.

1:17:52That's really all he can that's all he

1:17:54can regurgitate. So that for people who

1:17:56haven't heard that talking point, that

1:17:59means we're going after the really bad

1:18:01ones.

1:18:01>> The really bad ones, worst, the criminal

1:18:03aliens, the terrorists, child molesters,

1:18:06you know, folks that have committed

1:18:08murder, whatever. The worst of the

1:18:10worst.

1:18:10>> People have criticized Israel, stuff

1:18:11like that. Really, the really bad, the

1:18:13ones who deserve the death penalty.

1:18:16>> Um, that's and and I will say that that

1:18:19is the opposite of what we should be

1:18:20doing. That is not a threat to your

1:18:22nation. Let me say this again. A lot of

1:18:25people think I'm crazy. That's not the

1:18:27threat to your nation is the worst of

1:18:29the worst. The threat to your nation is

1:18:30your run-of-the-mill

1:18:32illegal alien that we've just said, the

1:18:34105 million that don't share your

1:18:37cultures, your values, that don't care

1:18:40about anything related to America, that

1:18:42have been given cit that that want to be

1:18:45given citizenship. That's far more of a

1:18:48threat. Hey, we can get those criminal

1:18:50aliens anytime. That record's not going

1:18:52away. Uh, we can get him anytime.

1:18:55Anytime. Right now, we've got that

1:18:58window to get that regular

1:19:00run-of-the-mill illegal alien, maybe a

1:19:02landscaper. Maybe he doesn't have a

1:19:04criminal record in the US, even though

1:19:05he's still a criminal because he crossed

1:19:06the border illegally. They're all

1:19:07criminals. Uh, he probably does have a

1:19:10criminal record in a foreign country

1:19:11that we won't know about. But that is

1:19:13far more of a threat to you, me, and our

1:19:16values than

1:19:19an MS-13 gang member. certainly a threat

1:19:21to our justice system because I I'm

1:19:22like, "Why should I obey the law? Why am

1:19:24I going Why do I have a seatelt alarm in

1:19:26my car? [snorts]

1:19:27Constantly getting lectured about

1:19:29everything all the time from everybody

1:19:31in authority. $18 a pack cigarettes just

1:19:34like an unaffordable life

1:19:37and a a legal code that you have to hire

1:19:40a lawyer to understand whether you're in

1:19:42compliance. And you better know whether

1:19:43you're in compliance because you go to

1:19:44jail or get fined if you're not. And

1:19:47then 105 million people get to just like

1:19:50give the finger to the US code and

1:19:52nobody does anything about it. It's like

1:19:54why am I obeying the law? Like what? Why

1:19:57does that make sense? Not a lick of

1:20:00sense. But what it is is it's a litmus

1:20:03test. The litmus test took place over

1:20:06this past year with that interior

1:20:08enforcement campaign. Hey, you know

1:20:10what? We don't agree with that law. We

1:20:12don't agree with the immigration laws

1:20:13that are enshrined in the INA, the

1:20:15Immigration and Nationality Act and

1:20:17those court decisions and and the

1:20:19Constitution and everything. We don't

1:20:20agree with that, sir. We're going to

1:20:22riot and we're going to martyr whatever

1:20:25we've got to do because we don't agree

1:20:26with that law. That's a litmus test

1:20:28because if you don't agree with an

1:20:30immigration law and do away with it, do

1:20:32away with the Border Patrol surrender.

1:20:34You can do that with anything. You can

1:20:37do that with any law there. It's not

1:20:38just that one. It's just mob rules.

1:20:40Exactly. The most violent group gets to

1:20:42do whatever it wants.

1:20:43>> It does. You and me will pay the price

1:20:45if we do something right now. You're

1:20:47right. They'll be on us in a in an

1:20:49instant, but the 105 million, not so

1:20:53much. Back to the natural resources.

1:20:55I've interviewed many game wardens

1:20:57throughout the 50 states, and they said,

1:20:59you know, a lot of times we won't even

1:21:01write an illegal alien because one, we

1:21:03don't know who who he is. We don't know

1:21:05who this person is. Uh or if we do, he

1:21:08beats us out of court. He walks out of

1:21:10the courtroom before we even do. Nothing

1:21:12happens. I'm not going to waste my time

1:21:14doing that. Now, you or me, we do

1:21:17something wrong. You're done. You're

1:21:19done. And um

1:21:21>> Oh, try Oh, yeah.

1:21:23>> You're done. And um

1:21:24>> try shooting a rough grouse on a Sunday

1:21:26in the state of Maine.

1:21:28>> Yeah. As a as a legal resident.

1:21:30>> Yes. Yeah. No, I know. Um

1:21:33>> but gil net a 100 fish is an illegal

1:21:35alien. And that h that's what they're

1:21:37doing now because they see our natural

1:21:39resources as something for them not

1:21:41something to conserve, preserve or

1:21:43conserve. Gilnet gilnut. They'll just

1:21:46throw a gil net in the water. You know

1:21:48during this when I was writing this

1:21:49research paper I was abhored at actually

1:21:51what was happening. They'll gil net fish

1:21:54catch 50 of them when you actually gil

1:21:56net fish.

1:21:56>> Yes. And you or me our limit may be two

1:22:00or three or whatever the limit is.

1:22:01>> I don't kill any fish and I think I

1:22:02might shoot someone for gil netting.

1:22:04Like that's I mean I that's immoral and

1:22:06I'm I'm not for shooting anybody but I

1:22:08would be tempted to shoot someone for

1:22:09gil netting. That is so outrageous.

1:22:11>> It is happens all the time.

1:22:13>> Seriously?

1:22:14>> Yes.

1:22:15>> Yes. Uh you know I I wish I'd brought my

1:22:17paper. I'll send you a copy of my paper.

1:22:19>> I don't want to read it. And

1:22:20>> I'm so upset just hearing

1:22:21>> all facets of our conservation effort

1:22:24are under siege. All facets.

1:22:27>> Like destroying God's creation in our

1:22:30country.

1:22:30>> Yes. And destroying our sustainable

1:22:32resource. You know, we're we're we're

1:22:34sportsmen, sportsmen, sports women,

1:22:36because we have a sustainable system of

1:22:39producing us. But you know what? Tell me

1:22:40about it.

1:22:40>> Do you do you think that the third world

1:22:42gives a crap about that? No. Because

1:22:44they don't do it in their countries. So,

1:22:46they come here, see ours, they don't

1:22:47have to obviously pay attention to our

1:22:49law.

1:22:49>> What's the Trump administration doing to

1:22:51to fix the problem you're describing

1:22:53right now?

1:22:54>> Uh they're letting illegal aliens go

1:22:56during operations. They let 20 go in

1:22:59North Carolina 3 weeks ago. three weeks

1:23:02ago, last Sunday, uh on one of our wild

1:23:05and scenic rivers, they I think they

1:23:06apprehended 10, they allowed 20 to walk

1:23:11in one of those wild and scenic areas in

1:23:13which resources were being destroyed.

1:23:16>> Are you serious?

1:23:16>> Yes, absolutely. I tweeted about it or

1:23:18exed about it or whatever that is,

1:23:20tweeted about it and um they said their

1:23:22systems were down, their computer

1:23:23systems were down. probably these

1:23:25individuals were um not single male

1:23:27adults and would have been a little

1:23:28harder to remove or they would have had

1:23:30to um put females in detention and

1:23:33apparently, you know, you can't do that

1:23:34if you're an illegal alien female.

1:23:36>> Why do people go to detention? Why don't

1:23:37they just bring them to the border of

1:23:39Mexico where they all came from?

1:23:41>> Exactly. Or fly them right right from

1:23:42the spot. Exactly. I agree. Or put them

1:23:44on a big container ship and drive them

1:23:46across the ocean. Whatever you need to

1:23:48do. Yes. But they allowed 20 to walk.

1:23:50They won't answer that question. I posed

1:23:52that question. put it up on my ex.

1:23:54>> No wonder they want to kill you.

1:23:55>> Probably. So, yep. I think that uh uh if

1:24:00they could or not them, but if it

1:24:02happened, I don't think they'd be too

1:24:04sad.

1:24:04>> So, how exactly you said you didn't

1:24:06retire, you got fired. How did that

1:24:07work?

1:24:09>> You know, after Minnesota, um I returned

1:24:13to my sector and that was the El Centro

1:24:15sector. We call that the premier sector

1:24:16in the US Board of Got to give a plug to

1:24:18those folks out there. The premier

1:24:19sector,

1:24:20>> Central California.

1:24:21>> Yes. Uh that was the sector under Biden.

1:24:23>> It's east of San Diego

1:24:24>> between San Diego and Yume, Arizona.

1:24:26>> Y um

1:24:27>> it's a tough tough place.

1:24:29>> Rough place, but hotter the fire, harder

1:24:32the metal. That was your interior staff

1:24:35out of the El Centro sector. Those folks

1:24:39controlled our part of the border under

1:24:41Biden. You know, we didn't uh prescribed

1:24:43to throughput and decompression. That

1:24:45was push as many in as you can. Well, we

1:24:48didn't disobey orders, Tucker. We It was

1:24:50through pit and decompression the other

1:24:52way back into Mexico. And guess what

1:24:55happened? Nobody wanted to cross the

1:24:56border in El Centro. We smashed them,

1:24:59including the red Chinese and anybody

1:25:01else that came across the border. So

1:25:03anyway, uh I get back to El Centro right

1:25:06after Minnesota and the investigations

1:25:10begin and I'm thinking, what are you

1:25:14people doing? Hey,

1:25:15>> investigations of what? Uh, the first

1:25:17one that came down the bike was, you

1:25:19might remember the Chicago judge said

1:25:21that I lied in a courtroom.

1:25:24That's death for a law enforcement

1:25:26officer to lie. That's you're done.

1:25:29That's lack of cander. Yeah,

1:25:30>> they'll get you every time on that. As

1:25:32they should. You shouldn't lie.

1:25:33>> Well, I didn't lie in a courtroom, by

1:25:35the way. I'll set the record straight on

1:25:36that one. Told the truth every minute.

1:25:38But simply because a federal judge said

1:25:41that even though her entire decision was

1:25:45vacated by the higher court, they said

1:25:47what you what your whole ruling is

1:25:50ludicrous and you're actually

1:25:51constitutionally suspect by the way,

1:25:53which is should be death for a crazy

1:25:55judge. [snorts] But the investigation,

1:25:58hey, you know what? We're going to

1:26:00investigate you for lack of cander. Uh

1:26:03lying.

1:26:05And I'm like, huh? Wow. that that whole

1:26:08thing was vacated. What are you talking

1:26:10about? Doesn't matter. You're getting

1:26:12investigated. So, they sent that case to

1:26:14something called a DRB, disciplinary

1:26:17review board. DRB says, "You know what?

1:26:19That's a panel of leadership within

1:26:22Customs and Border Protection that takes

1:26:24a look at disciplinary cases. Highly

1:26:26unusual for the commissioner to send

1:26:28that case straight to a DRB with no

1:26:30investigation. The DRB, that review

1:26:33board, looks at it and says, "You know

1:26:34what? There's nothing here. We see

1:26:37absolutely nothing here. Send it back.

1:26:40Case should be closed. Well, that

1:26:42commissioner says, "You know what? Let's

1:26:44take another shot at him. I'm gonna

1:26:46weaponize internal affairs on this one.

1:26:48Hey, internal affairs, this guy lied.

1:26:50Open an investigation on him." When it

1:26:53gets to that point and they start coming

1:26:55after you like that, I've been in the

1:26:56federal government long enough to know

1:26:58what they're coming after your

1:26:59retirement. They're not just coming to

1:27:01fire you. They're going to take your

1:27:02retirement, your pension, everything.

1:27:05So, I get a lawyer and he says, 'You

1:27:06know, I've never seen anything like this

1:27:09before. Uh, you better get your ass out

1:27:12of the federal government real quick.

1:27:14Seriously? Yes, but I don't run too

1:27:17easy. And I said, you know, I think, you

1:27:18know, I think I'm going to fight this

1:27:19one because, hey, it's cut and dried. He

1:27:22goes, don't. You put a period on a piece

1:27:24of paper and they're going to say you

1:27:26lied. Um, and then the second

1:27:29investigation came down. You may have

1:27:30remembered the uh they accused me of

1:27:32anti-semitism.

1:27:34>> I don't remember that.

1:27:35>> Uh that was out of uh

1:27:36>> I think most Americans have been accused

1:27:37of anti-semitism.

1:27:39>> Yeah, of course. You know, another one

1:27:40they said that uh I made some

1:27:41anti-semitic comments to the US attorney

1:27:45there in in Minnesota.

1:27:47>> Did you? Absolutely not. Uh never I

1:27:50never talked to him when I made the

1:27:51comments. I was talking to some of his

1:27:53staff who quit the next day and then

1:27:56doxed me uh uh uh because they didn't

1:27:59agree with the way the border patrol or

1:28:01that the border patrol is even in

1:28:02Minnesota. It's crazy stuff. You can't

1:28:05believe this stuff happens. Well,

1:28:06anyway, they said, "Hey, anti-semitism."

1:28:09And the New York Times ran with it.

1:28:11>> What What did they say you said?

1:28:13>> They said that uh I said the the Jewish

1:28:16people were the chosen ones, but that I

1:28:17said it in a very sarcastic tone.

1:28:21I guess that must be anti-semitism, you

1:28:23know. I don't know. I was uh straight

1:28:25out of the uh uh Bible study from oh

1:28:28about 1976 in North Carolina. Hey, Jews

1:28:31chosen ones. I can say that all day

1:28:33long. That's not anti-semitism. I think

1:28:34it'd be the opposite if I said that. So

1:28:37anyway, we're in the kind of George

1:28:40Republican version of George Floyd here,

1:28:41though, where everyone is accused of

1:28:43some bias crime. You bet.

1:28:44>> Except it's now anti-semitism, not

1:28:46racism, because nobody cares about black

1:28:47people anymore. It's the same It's the

1:28:49same thing though.

1:28:50>> Absolutely. So, I didn't even know I was

1:28:52under investigation for this until the

1:28:54New York Times informed me, hey, uh,

1:28:57since you're under investigation for

1:28:59anti-semitism, would you like to make a

1:29:00comment? They called me and I'm like,

1:29:02what are you talking about? My own

1:29:04agency didn't even tell me. It was I

1:29:06found that out through the New York

1:29:07Times reporter that called

1:29:08>> under investigation for anti-semitism.

1:29:11>> The Trump administration did that to

1:29:12you.

1:29:13>> Yeah. CBP. Well, customs. I don't think

1:29:14Trump knew about it.

1:29:15>> No, but it's the federal administration.

1:29:17Yeah.

1:29:18>> So, I found that one out and I'm like,

1:29:20"Wow, this is uh this is this is

1:29:22interesting." So, then to make a long

1:29:24story short,

1:29:26some special agents show up at my house,

1:29:28say, "We, you know, uh start knock

1:29:30banging on the door like what's going

1:29:32what what's going on here?" My security

1:29:34team says, "We don't know what's going

1:29:35on. What's going on?" I didn't answer

1:29:37the door. I don't need to answer the

1:29:38door.

1:29:40They were there for my computer, which I

1:29:43was retiring the next day. They said

1:29:44they wanted it right that right right

1:29:46that minute. I never talk to them.

1:29:49They get the orders from somewhere in

1:29:51DC. Well, just go ahead and smash the

1:29:53guy's door in and make entry.

1:29:57Luckily, the US Border Patrol was there

1:30:00and said, "It's the way that thing

1:30:02works." And they got sent packing. That

1:30:05was what was happening there. It's time

1:30:07to retire. You know,

1:30:09>> this is so crazy. I can hardly and I

1:30:12mean as far as I know, you didn't do

1:30:14anything other than believe the campaign

1:30:17promises the rest of us believed in 2024

1:30:19and thought, "Okay, here's a chance to

1:30:22[snorts] do what voters have asked their

1:30:24government to do."

1:30:26Yeah. Hey, you know, when you're given a

1:30:28mission, you go hard at it. And no

1:30:30regrets there with the mission. Regrets

1:30:32with how I handled some of those gate

1:30:35guards and the administration. You know,

1:30:37I would like to I I think I could have

1:30:39taken a more active role in briefing

1:30:42Trump face to face on some of this. I

1:30:44think that had he known and saw our

1:30:47strategy, what the end goal was, how

1:30:51Americans were coalesing behind us, I

1:30:53think he'd been, "All right, great job."

1:30:55So, I could have done a better job on

1:30:57that. Um, you know, I think a lot of the

1:31:01individuals around him are non- border

1:31:02security professionals. They have no

1:31:04they don't know the difference between

1:31:05border patrol and ICE even. I don't

1:31:07think a lot of them even know the

1:31:09difference between US border patrol and

1:31:11ICE. Think it's all ICE. Oh, it's an ICE

1:31:13mission. Vastly different. What with I I

1:31:18never understood I mean you can tell my

1:31:20views on immigration. I think it's a

1:31:22disaster. It is a disaster.

1:31:25But I I was I never liked the idea of

1:31:27any federal agent wearing some kind of

1:31:30narco mask on the street. What was that?

1:31:32Um that was the doxing. Um that was

1:31:38the fact that they would take that agent

1:31:41that agent's face and say, "Hey, his

1:31:43mother and father live at such and such

1:31:46an address. He and his daughter live at

1:31:49such and such an address."

1:31:52And then people start showing up within

1:31:5524 hours. Um and the reason we know that

1:31:58one me I didn't wear a mask and you know

1:32:00man they were on me quick. There were

1:32:02some other agents that didn't wear masks

1:32:04and it happened to them immediately. I

1:32:07mean, within hours, but okay. Right. We

1:32:10also had like a mafia and all kinds of

1:32:13organized criminal elements in this

1:32:15country over centuries, which we kind of

1:32:17defeated. So, if there are organized

1:32:19groups threatening the families of

1:32:21federal employees, we should probably go

1:32:23after those groups. Go after the groups

1:32:25and the folks that fund those groups.

1:32:27You bet. Wholesale? I don't Why is that

1:32:29hard?

1:32:30Why is that a hard concept?

1:32:32>> No, I'm serious. Because then everything

1:32:33falls apart. That's not a partisan

1:32:35question. It's just like the system

1:32:37falls apart if no one can enforce the

1:32:40law because of threats from criminal

1:32:41gangs, right? Absolutely. And the

1:32:45anarchists in the streets.

1:32:47>> Yeah. But there's never been a

1:32:48systematic effort to fix any of that.

1:32:50And I don't know why.

1:32:51>> You know, there was uh the the the the

1:32:54one effort that I saw was that US

1:32:56attorney out of the central district in

1:32:58California. His name is Billy. What a

1:33:01patriot that man was. He actually did go

1:33:04after those individuals in California

1:33:06when we were in Los Angeles. And you

1:33:08know what that did? That really that

1:33:11really dialed down the violence against

1:33:14our effort in those cities, dialed the

1:33:16riots down, dialed the the crazies down

1:33:20because he was actively going after them

1:33:22and prosecuting them. He he got some

1:33:24fantastic prosecutions. that's been lost

1:33:27in in in in in the narrative somehow. Uh

1:33:31what a success that man was. We had the

1:33:34opposite in in in the other cities is

1:33:37you know what we're not we're going to

1:33:38wait till till they leave and just not

1:33:41do anything because you know my gosh

1:33:42this is scary and you know there'll be

1:33:44awful lot of prosecutions and my

1:33:46gracious but the FBI there in in central

1:33:51district Los Angeles they did a

1:33:53fantastic job they proof tested that

1:33:55concept it can be done they did it the

1:33:58FBI along with uh w with uh that US

1:34:02attorney they kicked Uh, but there were

1:34:04a lot of other US attorneys that were

1:34:06patently against us. Some of them

1:34:08actually got fired under the Trump

1:34:10administration.

1:34:10>> Well, I would hope so, but you should be

1:34:14able to enforce the law. I mean, what's

1:34:17the point of the system if you can't do

1:34:18that? And by the way, I do think I get

1:34:21why people want to wear masks. I get why

1:34:22they're afraid. But I also feel like you

1:34:25seed you give up some legitimacy when

1:34:27you do that. Like when you're enforcing

1:34:29the law as a federal law enforcement

1:34:31officer, you're standing behind laws

1:34:33that the Congress passed elected by the

1:34:36people of this country. Like you are the

1:34:39front line in a system that we all hope

1:34:41is legitimate. If you can't show your

1:34:43face in public, I don't know. I mean,

1:34:45what what message are you are you

1:34:47sending? We can't control our own

1:34:48country. We're not legitimate enough to

1:34:52defeat like domestic insurgencies

1:34:54against us. I like what are you saying?

1:34:56It's such a expression of weakness. I

1:34:59guess it freaks me out.

1:35:00>> Does that make sense?

1:35:01>> It it does. And then again, why do we

1:35:04allow anarchy to take place in the

1:35:08streets in the face of law enforcement

1:35:10and normalize it? Why is that allowed to

1:35:12be normalized? And well, only certain

1:35:14kinds of anarchy are allowed to be

1:35:16normalized, the ones that the donors

1:35:18prefer. But most people are not for that

1:35:21at all. And if you were to have like a

1:35:22mass protest against election theft or

1:35:25illegal immigration, it' be shut down

1:35:27immediately by the same people who allow

1:35:29Black Lives Matter protests to destroy

1:35:31our cities.

1:35:32>> Yes.

1:35:32>> Right. So, it's it's it's like a

1:35:34selective enforcement. And I think it

1:35:36all goes back to the root cause, which

1:35:37is the richest people in the country are

1:35:39trying to destroy the country

1:35:41>> or they don't care or they just or they

1:35:42don't care. They want to get richer and

1:35:44they'll do it on the backs of you.

1:35:45They'll step on the dead bodies of their

1:35:47citizens to get there.

1:35:48>> 100%. I wish I didn't think that, but I

1:35:51do think that

1:35:52>> because the evidence is in. Don't you

1:35:54think

1:35:55>> it's it's getting irrefutable at this

1:35:58point to have what's happening in our

1:36:00country take place now? Uh I wouldn't be

1:36:03speaking if you had said you're going on

1:36:05Tucker and you're going to say what I

1:36:07just have said. I have said you're

1:36:09absolutely crazy. I was going to put

1:36:10this in the book, but you know, it needs

1:36:12to be said now. It needs to be said now.

1:36:14If you told me when I was, you know,

1:36:16speaking on Thursday night at the

1:36:18Republican National Convention,

1:36:19introducing Trump that two years later I

1:36:24would be talking to a former federal

1:36:26official about how he betrayed the

1:36:27entire country in immigration or his

1:36:28administration did. I'd be like, I don't

1:36:30think that that that's not possible.

1:36:32I mean, this whole thing is so shocking

1:36:34to me. I can't believe it's happening.

1:36:36>> Yeah. Well, you know, I think it shocked

1:36:37a lot of Americans. They thought there

1:36:39was so much hope out there. And that's

1:36:42probably one of the greatest one of the

1:36:44the most heart-rennding messages I get

1:36:46is there was so much hope with what was

1:36:49happening in those cities. We watched

1:36:51you guys, the green team, every night

1:36:53and we we thought we're there. Hey,

1:36:56we're taking it back. Even Europe, you

1:36:58know, I've been going to Europe quite a

1:36:59bit here lately, talking to those folks

1:37:01with the remigration summits and and

1:37:03Restore Britain and and and that type of

1:37:06thing, and they they said the same

1:37:07thing. We've got the same problem with

1:37:09the same solution. We watched what was

1:37:11happening starting in Los Angeles. Every

1:37:14night they were glued. They said, "Man,

1:37:15there's hope. Look at this. This is

1:37:17really going to happen and it's going to

1:37:18start happening in Europe. And then all

1:37:20of a sudden, lights out. The light

1:37:23switch was turned off and it all ground

1:37:25to a halt. All that hope ground to a

1:37:28halt. And you know, it's it's shocking.

1:37:32You just said you're shocked." I'm

1:37:33shocked. I would never have thought that

1:37:35would have happened. You know, the