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0:0114th of December 2021, Andrew.
0:04>> Yeah.
0:05>> You're in the house. You are one of
0:07these guys.
0:08Um 369 MPs
0:11vote against 126 MPs
0:14to terminate
0:16the jobs of NHS NHS staff who haven't
0:20had the vaccination within 8 weeks.
0:23>> Yeah.
0:24>> 100 were conservatives. I'm presuming
0:26you were one of them.
0:27>> I was one of them and I spoke in that
0:28debate.
0:28>> Yeah. 10 were Liberal.
0:30>> Yeah.
0:31>> And only eight
0:33were Labour.
0:34>> Yeah.
0:34>> So,
0:36what
0:37How was that? I think that is the lowest
0:39point.
0:40>> And you were talking about sticking up
0:41for NHS staff who who who were
0:45>> at the beginning clapping to sacking is
0:47effectively.
0:48>> Well, I mean
0:50forcing someone, coercing someone to
0:52take a vaccine is illegal under the
0:54Nuremberg Code. Yeah, but everyone has
0:56the right to bodily autonomy, you know?
0:59These are things that were set up
1:01following the
1:02trial of Nazis
1:05at the end of the Second World War. They
1:06experimented on people to make it
1:08illegal to inject people and use humans
1:11as experiments.
1:12>> But what was it like in that chamber
1:14that that evening that that
1:15>> Well, I'll I'll get I'll give you the
1:17It was It was heated, but it had been
1:19building up for a while. I'd realized
1:23in
1:24December '21
1:26that they were going to the government
1:28were planning to lock us down again.
1:30>> Right.
1:30>> And it was devastating for Northwest
1:31Leicestershire, my constituency, that
1:33had been the poorest in Leicestershire
1:36when I first became the MP. It was now
1:37the richest.
1:38>> Right.
1:39>> We'd done so much work building up the
1:41economy, creating jobs.
1:44The only part of Leicestershire with
1:45above average UK average household
1:47income.
1:47>> Mhm.
1:48>> From the poorest in 12 years.
1:51During the lockdowns,
1:53and it was also the It was also the
1:55happiest place to live in the Midlands.
1:57Right? [laughter]
1:58>> In 2019, so just before the pandemic,
2:00the happiest place to live
2:03and the suicide rate during a month of
2:05lockdown was higher than we had in a
2:06year. And I wrote to the government and
2:08said, "We can't carry on like this. My
2:10people are committing suicide and we're
2:11the happiest place to live in the
2:13Midlands."
2:13>> farmers and stuff like that.
2:14>> It's semi-rural.
2:16We're mostly in logistics and transport,
2:18to be honest. Right? Cuz we're right in
2:19the center of the country. We've got an
2:21airport. We've got motorways. And I
2:23said, "We can't carry on like this."
2:25I don't know what's going on everywhere
2:26else, but but my people are committing
2:29suicide.
2:29>> I don't I don't
2:30>> And and they wrote back to me and said,
2:31"There's no link between suicide and
2:35>> COVID-19
2:36>> and lockdowns."
2:38And I said, "There is here. I can tell
2:39you there is here.
2:41Um
2:41I mean, that's we we If you think about
2:43it, at the end of the lockdowns, we
2:44ended up with a million under 25s on
2:46waiting lists for mental health support.
2:48But there's no link."
2:49>> No.
2:49>> There's no link between mental health
2:51problems. Absolutely. And And so, we got
2:54into December 2021
2:57and I'm thinking
2:59I'm hearing about Omicron and I'm
3:01researching and speaking to South
3:02African scientists and doctors about
3:05Omicron, the Omicron variant, which is
3:07clearly highly contagious, but from all
3:09the evidence was appeared to be
3:12less pathogenic. I
3:14not going to kill you.
3:14>> Mhm.
3:15>> Which is a good thing.
3:16And
3:18obviously, we couldn't we couldn't the
3:20lockdowns didn't stop the spread of the
3:22original Wuhan strain, which I think had
3:24a an R rate of three. R rate is the
3:28number of people you infected if you got
3:30it.
3:30>> Right.
3:30>> So, the original full strength Wuhan
3:34you got it, you on average gave it to
3:36three people.
3:37>> and it went like a rocket, yeah.
3:38>> Omicron was somewhere between 12 and 14.
3:40>> Right.
3:41>> So, it was probably four times more
3:43transmissible than the original full
3:45strength Wuhan.
3:47And the lockdowns didn't stop that
3:48spreading. So, what sort of lockdowns
3:50would you have to have to stop something
3:52that was three and a half times more
3:53transmissible than the original one. And
3:56and and also it was a lot less lethal,
3:57so
3:59probably the best Christmas present we
4:00could have had. But anyway, I got the
4:02impression that we're going to have
4:03lockdowns. And then I was pretty
4:05surprised that I got an invite from
4:08Boris's team at number 10 to go for a
4:10big drinks party at number 10 the first
4:12week in December.
4:13And I wrote back, and I was the only MP
4:15that did it,
4:16and said, "This is inappropriate. I
4:19think you're going to try and take away
4:21the freedom and mandate vaccines to my
4:24people in the next few weeks, but we we
4:27want to have a big drinks party for a
4:28social.
4:29If it if that's going to happen, and
4:30you're going to take their freedom away
4:32at Christmas, and I'll vote against it
4:33and speak against it, we shouldn't be
4:35having any social functions."
4:38I got nothing back. And then a week
4:39after, when I was even more sure we're
4:41going to have lockdowns,
4:44more and more COVID restrictions for
4:45Christmas, which is
4:47devastating both on a mental health
4:50Christmas is very important to people.
4:52Yeah, family, friends, and also for
4:54business. Yeah?
4:57Um
4:59I got another invite the week after.
5:01And I wrote back and said, "It's now
5:03even more obvious that you're aiming to
5:04lock us down again, take away the
5:06liberty of my constituents, which I
5:08don't agree with because I think it's
5:09unnecessary, and you're going to cause
5:11harm.
5:12So, I'm I'm definitely not coming, but
5:13if if the Prime Minister wants to meet
5:15me, have a business meeting to talk
5:17about these policies that I think you're
5:18going to bring in I'm going to oppose,
5:20I'm more than happy." And nothing came
5:21back. And then the week after, Partygate
5:23broke, and I realized they'd wanted all
5:26the MPs coming to number 10 for drinks
5:28parties, so they all felt that their
5:30hands were in the blood. And I got to
5:33civil servants,
5:34I mean, most of Downing Street
5:37There's there's number nine, number 10,
5:39and number 11 in Downing Street. They're
5:41actually one building. You can walk
5:42right through.
5:4490% of it's offices, and it's where
5:46civil servants work. In number 10,
5:48hundreds of them.
5:50And there are some good ones. And I got
5:52to a civil servant who'd sent an email
5:53off
5:54during the COVID
5:56lockdowns, he's working away in his
5:58office,
5:59and
6:00he wrote an email to his boss, senior
6:02civil servant, said,
6:05"Don't you think we really ought to be
6:06socially distancing and masking in
6:08inside number 10, given that we've
6:10inflicted all these restrictions on
6:12people, isolating and everything?"
6:15And the the email he got back from his
6:16boss was,
6:18"We've looked at it with the top
6:19scientists, and quite honestly, none of
6:21it works." So, they knew that the
6:23restrictions they were inflicting on the
6:24people didn't work.
6:26And we found that out now from Fauci's,
6:29all the social distancing just appeared
6:31from somewhere. We know the masks don't
6:33work. And all of this went on,
6:37and then and and and his boss put in the
6:39email, "But because the TV cameras are
6:41outside, when you leave the building,
6:43can you make sure you socially distance
6:45put your mask on." And then I realized
6:47that all the pain that had been put on
6:49my constituents and the rest of the
6:50country, which had caused a lot of
6:53suicides, businesses failing,
6:56marriages, relationships failing,
6:58children being damaged, young people
7:00mental health problems.
7:02They knew none of it was real. It was It
7:04was all It was a scam.
7:06They knew none of it was working.
7:08And actually now, looking at it, was all
7:10fear to force people to take the
7:12vaccines.
7:14>> It was the It was the way out. But the
7:15thing about it was 100,000 NHS
7:18>> And I also know also know that
7:20that
7:22you know,
7:22Matt Hancock had gone
7:25over uh
7:26over the Gina situation, which I think
7:28was that was all created to get him out
7:30of office, get Sajid Javid in. Because
7:33give him his due, Hancock had said
7:35several times in the chamber, "These
7:36vaccines are not for
7:38under 18s."
7:39>> Right.
7:40>> And I'll I'll tell you something which
7:41never came in the media, but it's 100%
7:43true. There were eight qualified doctors
7:46on the government benches uh it during
7:48COVID.
7:49>> Mhm.
7:50>> Qualified doctors.
7:51Every one of them went to see Sajid
7:53Javid when he became health secretary
7:55and told him to not authorize these
7:57vaccines, so-called vaccines for under
8:0018s. He's a banker for a Deutsche Bank.
8:02He's got no qualifications in science
8:04whatsoever. He listened to all the
8:05doctors who were conservative MPs and
8:07then authorized them for children. And I
8:09saw Philip in 2022 when he tried to push
8:12that down to
8:14babies of 6 months would have to have a
8:16COVID vaccine. There was a no risk
8:17whatsoever. No No healthy child anywhere
8:19in the world has died of COVID.
8:21>> Mhm.
8:23>> A lot of them would have died from the
8:24vaccines because they're harmful.
8:26>> Possibly. Possibly. But the thing about
8:28it, the 100,000 NHS workers um just
8:31said, "We're not having it." And I
8:34actually genuinely believe that that was
8:36the point where
8:38out 33 was was
8:39>> They had a big rebellion of 124. And
8:41it's okay. We didn't carry the day.
8:44>> Yeah, you didn't carry the day. No, no,
8:45there was enough.
8:45>> but but there was enough.
8:47>> the liberty It was the liberty squad,
8:48wasn't it? It was He was He was the one
8:50>> they had to They had their plan B for
8:52Christmas 21. And they they they they
8:55pulled it back. But the fear they'd
8:57already put into the public ruined that
8:59Christmas again, didn't it?
9:00>> It did. It did. But I just think that
9:03those 100,000
9:05NHS staff actually
9:06>> I'll I'll tell you Marcus,
9:07I they they they made a proper Well,
9:10>> Mhm.
9:10>> all that's required for evil to prosper
9:11is for good people to do nothing. And I
9:14also then
9:15because I've I've been an MP for a long
9:16time. I did a lot of media. A lot of
9:18media.
9:19I knew all the TV all the
9:21I I all the outlets. Most of the
9:24cameramen are contractors,
9:26self-employed. They work for
9:28>> Yeah, yeah.
9:29>> Channel 4, whatever.
9:30>> Yeah, yeah.
9:31>> Yeah.
9:31And I knew them.
9:33And I met them at the Marquis of Granby
9:35pub between lockdowns.
9:37Um
9:38three of them
9:40will name will remain nameless. And they
9:41were the I said, "Well, what was it like
9:43when you
9:43>> Got stories to tell cameraman, haven't
9:45they?
9:45>> They They will. They Why not? They're
9:47the men behind the camera. They don't
9:48normally get their story told. Well, I
9:50can tell their story. And when they told
9:52me they were the people who went in and
9:55filmed those
9:56daily presentations in at number 10
9:58where they're standing at the podium
10:00changing the the COVID restriction rules
10:02and telling everything. I said, "Well,
10:04how did it work?" He said, "Well,
10:05normally when you're going to number 10
10:07to film something, you'd go in with a
10:09team of three. There'd be a producer, a
10:10sound man or sound person and a
10:13cameraman."
10:13>> Mhm.
10:14>> He said, "Only one person allowed in.
10:16Got to have a negative COVID test,
10:18masks, everything." He said, "So, the
10:20person had to do it was the cameraman
10:21had to go and set everything up." And
10:23they were the people who did it.
10:25And I said, "Well, what was it like?" He
10:26said, "Well, it was all right in front
10:27of the camera. Yeah, they got the
10:28podiums and everyone came in and had the
10:30masks on.
10:31And he said, "But if I'd swung the
10:33camera around 180 degrees, yeah, there
10:36was 50 advisors no masks on leaning on
10:39each other watching from behind. So, it
10:41was all pantomime."
10:43>> God. God. God.
10:43>> And And obviously that made me pretty
10:45angry when I thought of the the harm and
10:47suffering that had been done to people
10:49I'd grown up with in northwest
10:51Leicestershire, businesses, the
10:53self-employed people were really
10:54hammered.
10:55>> Yeah.
10:55>> Uh and obviously the children. I mean,
10:58it's okay being locked down if I mean, I
11:00was in my 50s
11:02and it's two years of
11:04unpleasant. But But if you were two, the
11:07next two years is that's half your life.
11:09>> Yeah. Well, there are they've got a
11:10problem in schools now between uh two
11:12and fives that weren't socialized
11:13properly.
11:14>> Of course.
11:15But even wearing a mask, huge amount of
11:18children look at the face
11:20to pick up on
11:21>> Yeah.
11:22>> We all do it anyway. That's why I mean,
11:24I'm against face coverings whole
11:27I always feel uncomfortable. If you're
11:28in a shop and somebody comes in wearing
11:29a crash helmet, it It you feel
11:31uncomfortable, doesn't it? Because you
11:32can't see the face, can you? Well, you
11:34cover the face with a mask.
11:37And the masks, I mean, goodness me.
11:39>> Yeah.
11:39>> Those those those paper masks, it it'd
11:42be to keep out a a virus particle, it'd
11:45be like trying to hold back a hornet
11:48with a chain-link fence.
11:50>> [laughter]
11:51>> But But Andrew, do you think
11:53the whole idea about asking questions
11:56do you think that you've been treated
11:59unfairly? I think it's a stupid question
12:01because I know sort of know I know what
12:02the answer is.
12:03Because the whole idea about science,
12:05isn't it, is to
12:07sort of like
12:07>> And I have got a degree in science.
12:09>> It's all about conjecture, isn't it?
12:10It's about finding out the bits that you
12:11don't
12:11>> Well, anybody's We have a lot of things,
12:14whether it's net zero, which is another
12:16another bone of contention.
12:18Whenever
12:19or COVID
12:20>> Mhm.
12:20>> or
12:22maybe even what's going on in Ukraine or
12:25or Iran now.
12:26Whenever you're told that the narrative
12:27is settled, especially if it's to do
12:29with science, I mean, a red flag should
12:31be up straight away because that's not
12:33the way science works.
12:34>> you've you strike me as somebody who's
12:36been socially paralyzed in many ways.
12:38And I use that phrase not
12:40>> Oh, yeah.
12:40>> in the fact that you're you're
12:42>> had to make an example.
12:43>> theories. You're
12:44you're a damn nuisance.
12:45>> Well, I'll debate with anybody, but
12:46nobody would. All all the debates I had
12:48in Parliament, the public gallery was
12:50rammed, and almost none of my
12:53colleagues, despite being urged by their
12:54constituents to come and listen to what
12:56I'd got to say, nobody ever turned up.
12:59>> But But no nothing's ever been
13:00progressed unless has an alternative,
13:02yeah.
13:02>> So, it's like putting a proposal
13:04>> allowed. We weren't allowed to have an
13:05alternative.
13:05>> Yeah, I know, but this is the point I'm
13:06trying to make is the fact that
13:08society
13:09>> Before I was expelled from the
13:10Conservative Party
13:12I mean, I was expelled for life.
13:14>> Yeah. Yeah.
13:15>> There's only one other person's been
13:17expelled for having a view
13:19from the Conservative Party.
13:21>> It was Enoch Powell.
13:22>> Enoch Powell.
13:23>> Well, well
13:25we I in 19 election. I got
13:28of the votes in Northwest
13:29Leicestershire.
13:30>> Yeah.
13:32>> Supporting COVID-19 vaccines was not
13:35part of that manifesto cuz they they
13:37weren't around then, were they? It's you
13:38know, before then.
13:39>> Yeah.
13:39>> So,
13:41but asking questions and my degree from
13:43Nottingham University a very long time
13:45ago was in biological sciences with
13:47biochemistry specializing in genetics,
13:49virology, and behavior.
13:51>> Yeah.
13:51>> I would say that there was nobody better
13:53qualified than me to ask questions about
13:55COVID-19.
13:56>> But but the whole point about having a
13:58civilized society is that you sit down
14:01and debate with people who you might
14:03disagree with because they might have a
14:05bit of information that
14:06>> ministers never even gave answered my
14:08questions. My debates also
14:12they used a duty minister, which meant
14:13they were incapable of answering my
14:15questions cuz they weren't even the
14:16qualified health ministers. They didn't
14:18want to be there. And they never
14:19answered my questions. And I'll I'll
14:21I'll tell you now that before I was
14:23expelled for life, my final warning was
14:27I was told I had to go along with it.
14:28They were going to cover up the vaccine
14:30harms and excess deaths for 20 years.
14:32That was in 2023. And and they also said
14:35to me, "If you continue along this path,
14:37you need to know that you're taking on
14:39the most powerful vested interest in the
14:41world with all the personal risk you for
14:43you that will entail if you continue to
14:45do so." And they've they've come through
14:47with that. They've they've destroyed me.
14:49>> But
14:50yeah,
14:51I know. I know. But do you think that
14:53that your conclusion
14:54>> take away that that they didn't make me
14:56sign up to kill children. And I stopped
14:58them on my own. Cuz they're they're
15:00cowards.
15:01>> But but you're but you're a bit of a
15:02nightmare, even more of a nightmare now,
15:04aren't you? In the fact that you
15:05>> Well, if you take
15:06>> Yeah, you can play the straw man card
15:07now, can't you? Like
15:08>> they put you if you're up against a a
15:10wall behind you,
15:12you have to come out fighting, don't
15:14you?
15:14>> Yeah. But you [snorts] know the concept
15:15of the straw man, don't you? It's the
15:16fact that I haven't got anything, so I
15:18can say whatever I want. You don't you
15:19you you're actually the worst person to
15:23talk about this.
15:23>> tried to bankrupt me. They've the tried
15:25several times to bankrupt me in the last
15:27couple of years. They're They're going
15:28to try again.
15:28>> Yeah.
15:30>> We'll see.
15:30>> So, do you think, I mean, just to
15:31conclude this now,
15:33do you think that politics I sort of
15:35know the answer to this one as well. Is
15:37all about now
15:39what can come out of the
15:41the COVID-19 stuff about power, control,
15:43and coercion?
15:44>> Absolutely. It was all about control and
15:46coercion. And that's And I think,
15:48looking back now, our politics
15:52I remember saying in 2011 to David
15:54Cameron and George Osborne, who Oh, I
15:56didn't get along with, by the way.
15:58Um
16:00we don't need politics. All we need is
16:01policies that makes life better.
16:03>> We actually need an ideology, don't we?
16:05>> We need We need poli- policies that make
16:06life better for people in our country.
16:09They've got to make them feel more
16:10secure, financially secure, and, most
16:12importantly, a better prospects for the
16:14next generation. I said, "As long as we
16:16do that,
16:17we'll always be in government." And they
16:19And and Cameron and Osborne looked at me
16:21and said, "Andrew, you don't understand.
16:23It's all a game." And And Marcus, I In
16:262011, I didn't understand what they
16:28meant. But with hindsight now, I
16:30understand exactly what they mean. And
16:32that game's got to stop, cuz that game
16:35is is played between all the parties.
16:37They're all in the uni-party. They're
16:39all working for the same people. And
16:40it's not It's not the public.
16:42>> Well, it's funny you should say this
16:43now, cuz we've myself and Baraka put
16:45together
16:46a
16:47sort of
16:48stand, if you like, from Manchester.
16:50With no intention in really of of of of
16:53make It was more of a sort of put a
16:54stake in the ground, see see the process
16:56and how it all worked.
16:58I've now come to the conclusion that 75%
17:00of the resources will back me up here.
17:02Not interested in politics. They've all
17:04given up.
17:05I think the vast majority of people now
17:07have have completely and utterly given
17:09>> got 40% of the people that given up at
17:12the last generation didn't vote.
17:13>> Yeah.
17:14>> So, by if they were all in a
17:17party movement, that would be the
17:19biggest political movement in the
17:20country already. And I I completely
17:22understand why people have lost
17:23confidence in in politics. Be honest,
17:26I've lost confidence in it. But it's the
17:28only vehicle to power to make a change.
17:31And all I would say to people is that
17:35socially,
17:37culturally, and economically,
17:40our country now, we're we're in the last
17:42chance saloon at 5 minutes to closing.
17:44>> I would agree with you. I would agree
17:46with you. That's the reason why I was
17:47setting this up.
17:47>> and it's the reason why I was setting it
17:49up. And when when you're not interested
17:51in politics, and you absolve
17:53responsibility for key decisions on your
17:55life to corrupt politicians, we end up
17:59in the mess we are now. And you might
18:01not be interested in politics,
18:03but these politicians are very
18:04interested in you.
18:05>> Yeah.
18:06>> And they're looking to bring in digital
18:07ID, all sorts of controls
18:10>> Yeah.
18:10>> over every aspect of your life. And um
18:13and we can stop this.
18:15>> What's what's interesting though is is
18:16that the in this last election
18:18uh
18:19Manchester mayoral election, it's almost
18:21like a an opinion poll more than a lot
18:24of people just said, "You know what? I'm
18:25not even giving you an opinion." But
18:27what was most interesting
18:28>> up to Makerfield uh five times.
18:30>> It's what? Sorry?
18:31>> I went up to Makerfield five times in
18:32the last election.
18:35>> Never understood why Farage didn't run
18:37that election from Maker sure that where
18:39the waste dump was.
18:40Um it was it was just insane why he
18:42didn't do that. But the um yeah, the
18:44point I was trying to make is they lost
18:4540%. This is This is a stat that people
18:47don't have not looking at. They've lost
18:4940% of the votes that Andy Burnham had.
18:52I think he got 420, they're down to 250
18:55now with with Bev Craig. 250 250,000.
18:58And those are They ain't coming back.
19:00They ain't coming back.
19:02I I think that we are
19:04>> Well, to be honest, I think
19:05>> in a mess. We are in a mess.
19:07>> any party currently that uh from from
19:10the uni-party brand, the legacy parties.
19:13You get into government.
19:15They make all sorts of promises, but
19:17then you you're still sticking with the
19:18same old agenda.
19:19>> Yeah.
19:20>> And then you're completely discredited.
19:22We've had, Marcus, we've had Andy
19:24Burnham is the sixth Prime Minister in 7
19:26years. It gives you an average shelf
19:28life for a Prime Minister of 14 months.
19:30>> Yeah.
19:31>> And I think I think Andy Burnham is
19:34currently telling a lot of untruths.
19:36He's saying he's going to stop digital
19:38ID, he's not. He's going to
19:41stop
19:43getting rid of the jury trials, I don't
19:44think he is. He's going to restart
19:47drilling in the North Sea. We've just
19:48found out 100,000 people are being made
19:50redundant.
19:51>> Mhm.
19:52>> He'll get sussed pretty quickly. I think
19:54he's going to try and call a general
19:56election
19:56>> think in October he calls it.
19:58>> He's going to call a general election
19:59before He's got to call it before the
20:01public suss out that he's misleading
20:03them again.
20:04>> I I I think I'm
20:05>> is very dangerous. And when you've got
20:0740% of the public who are completely
20:09switched off from politics. These are
20:11big decisions and their apathy will
20:14affect their children.
20:15>> Yeah.
20:16>> Right?
20:16>> Yeah, no, I quite agree. I couldn't
20:18believe how many how many people
20:20actually gave up. But what was
20:21interesting, I think I'm I'm going to
20:23back up this statistic
20:26was that the Green Party in in in
20:29Manchester thought that the Islamic
20:31community was going to come out for
20:32them.
20:33And they didn't.
20:34And they gave up on Labour as well. So,
20:36the Islamic community just gave up on
20:38politics.
20:39>> Well, it's very much also they wanted
20:41divide and rule. They want to put
20:43Christians against Muslims. They want
20:47men against women. They want black
20:49against white.
20:50Because that's the only way they can
20:51control us.
20:52>> They're running I think the certainly
20:54the Labour Party and the Conservatives
20:55are dead in the water brands from my I
20:57can see. If that was if they were in a
20:58high street, right? You know and I know
21:00that'd be a closing down sale.
21:02It'd be like, right, what can we get
21:03>> They'd be struggling, it'd be a
21:04giveaway, I think. And I think and no
21:07one's buying.
21:07>> It would be, which which brings me to my
21:09final question.
21:10>> But then you've got then you've got, I'm
21:11afraid, that Reform are
21:14>> Yeah.
21:14>> They are a Trojan horse as well.
21:16>> Yeah, which brings me to my final
21:18question, Rupert Lowe.
21:20>> Yeah.
21:20>> Is You've joined up, I believe.
21:22>> I did join I've joined Restore as soon
21:24as they became a proper party.
21:25>> What happened to Lawrence?
21:27>> Lawrence Fox.
21:28>> Yeah.
21:28>> [laughter]
21:28>> What happened to Lozza?
21:29>> I think the less we say about Lawrence
21:31Fox and Reclaim the better.
21:32Um
21:34uh
21:36I've known Rupert for about 3 and 1/2
21:37years.
21:38>> Yeah.
21:38>> For when I was an MP and he wasn't. And
21:43he isn't controlled. The rest are
21:45controlled. I know Nigel's controlled.
21:47I've known Nigel
21:47>> think he's a bit of an autocrat, though?
21:49>> Yeah, he is.
21:50>> I mean, we know people who know him from
21:51Southampton football days, and it was
21:53like, all right, now Rupert's way is the
21:55way. No, non-negotiable. So, we're going
21:57down the same track, is what I'm saying.
21:59>> Um
22:01but he isn't controlled, and that's why
22:02you can tell that because he's being
22:04attacked relentlessly in the mainstream
22:06media. I mean, Alister Heath in the
22:08Telegraph appears to have just
22:11His His mission His mission is
22:13And and and the and the fact that
22:14they're using the mainstream media now
22:15to attack Rupert, and he's basically
22:18banned from the mainstream media. That
22:21tells me we've got a general election
22:23coming.
22:23>> But he's But he's Yeah, I I agree, but
22:25his biggest problem is he can't control
22:27who joins up, can he? And obviously
22:28you're a
22:30famous face, and you But you can't
22:32There's a lot of people
22:33>> as some call it.
22:33>> Infamous, I would have said. Famous
22:35face, yeah. But do you think I mean,
22:37obviously we I stood against a guy
22:40called Marlon.
22:41Um it was for Reform. His story was
22:43quite harrowing. What really
22:46stood out for me more than anything
22:47else, nobody dared call him right-wing.
22:49You never heard that.
22:50>> And he was a nurse a qualified nurse,
22:52but they took his qualification and his
22:54ability to practice off him.
22:55>> They did. They did. But they only still
22:57only got 2% of the whole of Manchester
23:00who actually turned up to vote for of
23:01them. So, I just don't think that that
23:03Restore It's It's like a It's a pressure
23:07group, isn't it?
23:08>> I don't think so. I think it has the
23:10ability It's only 6 months old. It has
23:12the ability to go um become a big
23:16player.
23:19Comparing
23:20You You will only agree that Labor and
23:22the
23:22>> dead brands
23:23>> Conservative are dead brands. The Greens
23:25are
23:26>> The Greens are shot.
23:28>> Um they don't really seem to be
23:29supporting the environmental causes
23:31anymore that made them
23:32>> data centers and stuff like
23:34>> Exactly. I mean, this is crazy. Um and
23:37the Lib Dems are whatever. Um
23:41>> The Lib Dems will do well in the shires,
23:42by the way. They'll do really well. I
23:43think I think they'll they'll actually
23:45um
23:46probably build on that number of MPs
23:48they've got next time.
23:49>> It's ignorance of what the Lib Dems
23:50really are, though.
23:51>> Absolutely.
23:52>> Um
23:53And they actually the Lib Dems is
23:55probably if in my experience it is the
23:57most diverse and and disorganized party
24:01in that you've got Lib Dems who are
24:04very right of center and you've got Lib
24:06Dems in different I mean, they're all
24:08things to all men in different parts of
24:09the
24:10They have the Lib Dems have a different
24:11policy at different sides of the street.
24:13>> Yeah. But, what I don't what I find
24:15about Lib Dems is they're quite
24:16interesting because this is where who
24:17we're going up against the Lib Dems. I
24:19think there's a massive game in the in
24:20the center. Is they don't like
24:23They like to be
24:25They'll have a go at you.
24:27But, they don't like anything They don't
24:28like They don't like confrontation.
24:30>> Oh, well, if you can't if you can't uh
24:31take it, you shouldn't give it out.
24:33>> Yeah, well, they don't want They don't
24:34want confrontation.
24:35>> want to be seen as these We're the Lib
24:36Dems. We're different. They're not
24:38different. They are just
24:40>> But, in fairness to them, they did stick
24:41up on the
24:42>> you had in the 2024 election Ed Davey
24:44did was was do stupid things like
24:46throwing himself in water and
24:47>> People people
24:48>> some publicity. I mean, if you think
24:50that's a qualification to bring forward
24:52policies that will sort the problems
24:54we're facing in this country We're
24:55facing the biggest problems we've ever
24:57faced in this country.
24:58>> Yeah.
24:59>> Existential problems, I would say.
25:01>> I genuinely think they'll get 200 MPs
25:02next time.
25:04Lib Dems.
25:05I genuinely think that.
25:07>> Well, goodness save us if that's the
25:08case.
25:09>> [laughter]
25:11>> On that note, Andrew, thank you very
25:12much.
25:12>> Thank you very much for inviting me
25:13down.
25:14>> Thank you. And thanks for listening to
25:17my brother's story.
25:17>> And I wish
25:18I hope that a lot of people come forward
25:20to uh
25:21>> We can only hope if they're out there.
25:23>> And I and I wish you
25:24>> You can only You can only understand it
25:27from a point of view there is absolutely
25:28no point going to the next level of
25:31thing unless it's a
25:31>> We need reinforcements.
25:32>> A reinforcement. And it's just
25:35It's not like that bitter
25:38um sort of
25:39>> All all you want is to get to the truth.
25:41>> All I want is an acknowledgement that
25:42some people had severe and profound
25:45adverse effects to the
25:48the COVID-19 jabs. That's it. That's all
25:50I want. That's all I want.
25:52>> Okay.
25:52>> Yeah. Anyway, take care.
25:53>> Good luck Good luck with your program.
25:54>> with everything going forward with
25:55yourself as well, yeah?
25:56>> And God bless.
25:57>> Thanks for coming, Andrew.
25:58>> God bless.