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0:00Okay, really powerful video today. So,
0:02Constantine Kissen was on the Diary of a
0:04CEO DOAC podcast. Maybe you've seen it
0:07with Stephen Barlet, one of my
0:08favorites. He had Constantine as well as
0:12uh Steven Keane, who is an Australian
0:14economist and author, uh debating on a
0:16lot of different things. Here,
0:18Constantine actually puts Stephen Steven
0:21Keane, the guest, in his place. He has a
0:23conspiracy around Israel causing the
0:26Spain invasion that we saw of migrants
0:28from Morocco. So uh let's take a look at
0:30this and we'll talk about it after.
0:31>> So Constantin talked about these
0:33crossings in Sua in Spain.
0:35>> Yeah.
0:36>> And he was alluding to the fact that
0:38this needs to be addressed or this
0:40polarization which is having lots of
0:41downstream consequences isn't going to
0:43change. What is your perspective on
0:46>> I I again there's so much of a fog of
0:48misinformation around these days that
0:50it's very hard to know whether what you
0:52hear is accurate. But the proposition
0:55I've been told is that Morocco has close
0:58relations with Israel and the Zionists
1:00wanted this as a way of destabilizing
1:03Spain, which is about the only country
1:04in Europe that is attacking the Zionist
1:06state. And so this was a political
1:08setup.
1:09>> Well, hold on a second. But Spain has
1:12the ability to enforce its own border.
1:13>> Of course it does. The fact that this
1:15actually happened is arguably is being
1:18argued and I don't know whether it's
1:19right or not. I'm giving up on trying to
1:21say whether something is AI or not these
1:23days, but it's the argument has been
1:24that because the Spanish government came
1:26out and was critical of Israel, critical
1:29of Zionism, then this was a setup by the
1:31Israelis through Morocco to disturb
1:33Spain.
1:33>> Hold on. What I'm I'm making a different
1:35point of which is
1:37>> if my four-year-old wants sweets at
1:4011:00 at night,
1:43that's true. But I am the idiot who
1:45gives it to him and that and he then
1:47stays up all night. and European
1:49countries refuse to enforce their
1:52borders. Whatever you think Israel is
1:54doing, by the way, I've seen literally
1:55zero evidence to support this theory,
1:57but let's say it's true just for the
1:58sake of argument. It's ultimately up to
2:00Spain, it's up to Italy, it's up to
2:03Britain, it's up to other European
2:04countries to enforce the border. That is
2:07something that we are capable of doing.
2:09And it's not like this incident is the
2:11only time this has happened. 3 million
2:13people, slightly under, but around 3
2:15million people have crossed the
2:17Mediterranean on boats in the last 10
2:19years.
2:19>> Yeah. And of course,
2:20>> so and that's not Israel doing it.
2:22That's us allowing it to happen.
2:24>> But also of destabilizing Libya.
2:27>> Okay. If we if the Libyan slave markets
2:30exist because we came, we saw he died.
2:33Quote Hillary Clinton on that. The
2:35extent to which the West has
2:36destabilized the regions from which the
2:38migrants are coming has to be
2:39acknowledged. If you don't acknowledge
2:41it, then you're blaming the people who
2:42are the sandwich between two political
2:44blocks.
2:45>> But I I did acknowledge it. I I
2:47completely understand and I've been
2:48against a lot of the foreign
2:50interventions that the West has engaged
2:52in. But a lot of people, and we know
2:54this from surveys, from interviews, from
2:57the types of people who come.
2:59>> Most of these people are economic
3:00migrants. Doesn't mean that they're
3:02wrong to pursue a better life, but they
3:04want to move to Europe. And I have I
3:06look, this is not me saying it. It's a
3:08friend of mine who is an Iraqi and this
3:10[clears throat] is what he says. He says
3:11in the Middle East we have a saying.
3:14>> If you want to work, you go to America.
3:16If you want to live on benefits, you go
3:17to Europe. We are creating an incentive
3:20structure in Europe that allows people
3:22to come and feel like this is a place in
3:25which we will provide a life for them
3:27that they don't have to provide a life
3:28for themselves in that incentive. I
3:31mean, you're an economist although an
3:33economist economist. Do you remember
3:35that idea? But I doubt we disagree about
3:37the importance of incentives and
3:39>> incentives but also incentives to push
3:40people out of where they are rather than
3:42to reconstruct where they are and make
3:43it more livable.
3:44>> I am all I'm
3:45>> and that I mean the one country we're
3:46not seeing a lot of economic migrants
3:48from is China. [snorts]
3:50>> Now you say what
3:52>> China's very
3:53>> nonetheless nobody wants to leave the
3:55place because it's booming.
3:59[sighs]
3:59>> This one's tough for me brother sister.
4:04I I just see how quickly it is for these
4:09conspiracies to then get amplified when
4:12you have an economist coming on to like
4:15I think the top five or top six YouTube
4:17podcasts in the world, possibly Spotify
4:20or podcast in the world
4:23to not say that what you're saying is
4:25necessarily true, but bring a claim of
4:28that nature in depth about Israel being
4:30behind and the Zionists being behind the
4:32invasion of the illegal migrant from
4:34Morocco to Spain that you bring that up
4:37as a possible point to consider and
4:41explore is possibly true is like food.
4:46It's [ __ ] taking food candy from baby
4:50for people who are so already on the on
4:52the anti-Israel side of things.
4:55Stephen Stephen King was on Dar CEO. You
4:57wouldn't believe what he brought up.
5:01It's It's just like
5:05the It's funny they talked about
5:06incentives. It's like, well, there's for
5:08sure an incentive for somebody of his
5:10stature to bring that up on a platform
5:11like that, man. That that's not just
5:15words. That is really powerful words.
5:18Those are really powerful words with
5:20very powerful claims to create an
5:23incredibly powerful incentive for people
5:25to be further away from supporting
5:29Zionism or the idea of Zionism or
5:32anything like it's very because the
5:34Z-word as we like to say the Zionists
5:36now it's like you throw that into a
5:37sentence suddenly a little [ __ ]
5:39little little heebie-jebies you know a
5:41little feeling a little off there that's
5:43because we've created a stigma around it
5:45especially since the 7th of October so
5:47that it's just
5:49It's insane for me to and then there's
5:51just no evidence of that. Go online and
5:54there's zero evidence of it. In fact, as
5:56somebody who lives in Israel, as
5:57somebody who [ __ ] watches this [ __ ]
5:58all the time, I haven't even seen that
6:00claim come up. So, it's like a it's
6:03totally like out of a left field [ __ ]
6:08I don't know where, where, why. You
6:11know, the why is interesting to me and
6:13also the why because the why is so
6:15unclear. That's what fascinates me. It's
6:17like you should be able to understand
6:20why people say certain things. And when
6:22it comes to Israel, man, when it's like
6:24so so much of it is such horseshit that
6:27it just begs the question of like where
6:28the [ __ ] did this even come from, man?
6:31And why even make this connection? It's
6:33like it's such a convenient connection
6:34to make for people. So, it's just an
6:35insane thing to say. Anyways, thank you
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